Re: [nfsv4] New version of sparse draft (draft-hildebrand-nfsv4-read-sparse-01.txt)

Spencer Shepler <sshepler@microsoft.com> Fri, 01 October 2010 17:46 UTC

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From: Marc Eshel [mailto:eshel@almaden.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:29 AM
To: Spencer Shepler
Cc: Dean Hildebrand; nfsv4@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [nfsv4] New version of sparse draft (draft-hildebrand-nfsv4-read-sparse-01.txt)

I can claim that trying to read unallocated part of the file is and error :) but I see the point of complicating the error handling.  We can instead just add more information to the reply without giving the error return code.
I think this a simple solution that should be agreed on as alternative if we don't have a more general solution that will cover the requirement for this one.
This is a good example how we this group start with simple ideas and ending up with a conflicted and convoluted protocol that drags for years.
We proposed it, I believe we got consensus. We can fine tune it to make every one happy. If someone has a better idea let them write a draft and if the group agrees that it is a solution we can switch to the new proposed draft.


You are correct, Marc.  As owner of a personal draft, there is no requirement
that input to the draft be accepted.  The owner can appropriately decline
the input and continue forward.  Competing I-Ds can be helpful in that
ideas are presented in fuller form beyond just the short feedback that
an email thread allows.

Spencer