Re: [Ntp] Murray Kucherawy's Discuss on draft-ietf-ntp-mode-6-cmds-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Daniel Franke <dfoxfranke@gmail.com> Wed, 26 August 2020 20:46 UTC

Return-Path: <dfoxfranke@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ntp@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ntp@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC31B3A0B74; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 13:46:09 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.098
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e9zAWnJsE9Gm; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 13:46:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-il1-x132.google.com (mail-il1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F9AB3A0B7E; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 13:46:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-il1-x132.google.com with SMTP id j9so2997318ilc.11; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 13:46:08 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ph1MicgRgz2HZnRsHMuhswSvxMCoqhXakEf0jTfdvVk=; b=tAkrpIICUk9fZr6dcltdstoN0heM0MVlvC5JKNT2hHQeucTcp0/LUP+ecHv6k2gIIX VZfl9d/gz28bZ5LRFM3JNHKKBTzeqo9F5unXY0go+11EJqXOn/MCVjgWqT1xzcOOtipD w1wCGSFPH871UT3CDm5ePaQARlKaanzWZhr4/hNO7CCxs8K6NLja/8+zzUR76dYtdiuq jWFyeJGoSp0yL3c1uGJMwOaRgx8AHdiVnMrtSkZkNZ0s39Dte0pZV6lJtZBzgXJ0ldga hQH0358TOlMvpizgNiVLxeu2lK/sUpeo+atH3G5AmRWbeXITTvmTXo1tpsgOW1wM7S3Z 4A9A==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ph1MicgRgz2HZnRsHMuhswSvxMCoqhXakEf0jTfdvVk=; b=Qont/yl82LY4RKWz4rdgOwQCIsd4QsjoGNv4+zFIQ2xO98eurBERP0Db2JXvYtHtcM 89YFL7uVmUif+38AdWSVdhzmdvIu/Hd+EQdFz/AT4IEJC2Qkvq5ffoH6/TInBKflKZZ0 22hWIMiRzlcTfOv+HMbm6QcE5d7p+PMt2+wwgcWJmabtLg8WYaN1/RB4Y15td4sleXe5 9Eck0OQ4kWyETfr9uPi0T7525v6zM8JXanr3N7VkN5RpM+EIsaM3J1nROhQchy8d9EYQ zgFRSxOKMugheUF/2RifnqhUsT2x55PSYx1yelG1WpXi5d/XakU3P8ctW2R7Pc9Ya6ke 22Uw==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530zAVlACd99Hmp68ibM7QxAFk3k0rb/xc/v3wsBc/xxiUKtOYGZ WdhNVe1uumOyfFycqvudwsIrcxJ289jVDfS0ZDQ=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwv1A7oDZX+uDcfborz3ogZKm1z7ycLUCMqZFz7Qam5akNmXQxIKVT3IcJEQAt4Ad9F9x37YhTvGzIcK/n7vNU=
X-Received: by 2002:a92:cf52:: with SMTP id c18mr14614228ilr.44.1598474767545; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 13:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <159847132272.24732.13477095672838990073@ietfa.amsl.com>
In-Reply-To: <159847132272.24732.13477095672838990073@ietfa.amsl.com>
From: Daniel Franke <dfoxfranke@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 16:45:56 -0400
Message-ID: <CAJm83bBwOsk22jAiAmhnHi9s21SPqbv5i_hO9YamikGbUKKX1A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>
Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, ntp-chairs@ietf.org, NTP WG <ntp@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-ntp-mode-6-cmds@ietf.org, Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ntp/IxpM3kA25Ko4SNZKGuLkkSc8C8E>
Subject: Re: [Ntp] Murray Kucherawy's Discuss on draft-ietf-ntp-mode-6-cmds-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
X-BeenThere: ntp@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: <ntp.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ntp>, <mailto:ntp-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ntp/>
List-Post: <mailto:ntp@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ntp-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ntp>, <mailto:ntp-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:46:10 -0000

The change from "Historic" to "Informational" was a
post-IETF-Last-Call switcheroo which I believe was performed without
appropriate consensus. I stand by "Historic" for the reasons discussed
in my secdir review.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 3:48 PM Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker
<noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>
> Murray Kucherawy has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-ntp-mode-6-cmds-09: Discuss
>
> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
> introductory paragraph, however.)
>
>
> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>
>
> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-mode-6-cmds/
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> DISCUSS:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I find myself in agreement with Eric Vyncke's remarks about a document claiming
> to provide "current but historic" protocol details.  Is this because NTPv3 is
> still in use?  But the title talks about NTPv4.  Shouldn't this document have
> "Historic" status?  The shepherd writeup says that's the intent, but that's not
> what the document's title page says.
>
> Let's sort this out.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> COMMENT:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I found the same typos Roman did.  A quick pass with a spell checker might
> speed things through the RFC Editor slightly.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ntp mailing list
> ntp@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ntp