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Re: [Ntp] Murray Kucherawy's Discuss on draft-ietf-ntp-mode-6-cmds-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org> Thu, 27 August 2020 02:19 UTC

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From: Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org>
To: Daniel Franke <dfoxfranke@gmail.com>, Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ntp] Murray Kucherawy's Discuss on draft-ietf-ntp-mode-6-cmds-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Daniel,

I don't think it is fair for you to call this a "switcheroo" without appropriate consensus. At this stage, there were a number of folks including the author who could live with either Historic or Information, one who wanted Standards track, one who wanted Historic, and a few who said "not Historic". We have discussed this ad nauseum at this point. I am ready for the IESG to provide their guidance on what it should be. I believe there are arguments for both Historic and Informational... and many many emails written to debate this issue. 

Karen

On 8/26/20, 4:46 PM, "Daniel Franke" <dfoxfranke@gmail.com> wrote:

    The change from "Historic" to "Informational" was a
    post-IETF-Last-Call switcheroo which I believe was performed without
    appropriate consensus. I stand by "Historic" for the reasons discussed
    in my secdir review.

    On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 3:48 PM Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker
    <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
    >
    > Murray Kucherawy has entered the following ballot position for
    > draft-ietf-ntp-mode-6-cmds-09: Discuss
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    > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    > DISCUSS:
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    >
    > I find myself in agreement with Eric Vyncke's remarks about a document claiming
    > to provide "current but historic" protocol details.  Is this because NTPv3 is
    > still in use?  But the title talks about NTPv4.  Shouldn't this document have
    > "Historic" status?  The shepherd writeup says that's the intent, but that's not
    > what the document's title page says.
    >
    > Let's sort this out.
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    > COMMENT:
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    > I found the same typos Roman did.  A quick pass with a spell checker might
    > speed things through the RFC Editor slightly.
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