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Andrew Campling <andrew.campling@419.consulting> Fri, 25 June 2021 15:31 UTC

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From: Andrew Campling <andrew.campling@419.consulting>
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
CC: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>, "ohttp@ietf.org" <ohttp@ietf.org>, Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 15:40, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
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> On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 1:22 AM Andrew Campling <andrew.campling@419.consulting<mailto:andrew.campling@419.consulting>> wrote:
>> Noting RFC8890, if the Internet really is for end users then it seems perfectly valid that, at a minimum, consideration should be given to the operational impact of new protocols.  One way to address this would be to undertake some multi-stakeholder engagement
>
>I believe that engagement is called "an IETF WG".

I disagree.  If IETF WGs were able to function effectively in multi-stakeholder engagement then it would not have been necessary to issue RFC 8890 and reference the need to undertake such engagement.  The reality is that most WGs are drawn from a relatively narrow pool of people, hence discussions on other lists about the need to improve diversity etc.

We could either guess what, to use Jason’s phrasing, the implications of the design choices may mean for different groups or we could actually ask them.  The latter approach would seem to me to be consistent with RFC 8890 and ought to lead to better design choices.

Andrew

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