Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support
Andre Heinecke <aheinecke@gnupg.org> Tue, 19 March 2019 23:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support
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Hi, On Monday 18 March 2019 13:07:21 CET Justus Winter wrote: > Hello, Hello to you, too. Here is a parable: Kleopatra goes into a Bar: Kleo (linux): Hey look how small my archives are now using LZMA!! Kleo (win): Uhm LZMA is that a disease? I don't know it! KMail (linux): Ha, I have KArchive. K7Zip is the Best! GpgOl (win): Uhm 7zip, does that mean that I have to unzip it seven times? KMail (linux): No stupid, you just have to get your user to install additional software. GpgOL (win): Awww. shucks. I thought we were user friendly nowadays. GpgOL (win): Haha! But now! I have winrar. Kleo (linux): What? Winrar? "Win" and rar? go @!ยง13 yoursellf. KMail (linux): Yeah KArchive can handle that.. *sunglasses* Enigmail (win): Eh, guys I'm a crypto plugin, what are you talking about? I can no longer decrypt your messages! What are you doing?!! Kleo (win): I can do ZIP! (Imagine Ralph Wiggum) And even in this scenario how would they even communicate which compression algos are used. Because it is _not standartized_ OpenPGP has been around for ages. Software relies on the pecularities of it. If I would have to design a cryptographic message format from scratch I probably also would not include compression in there. But the existing software relies on that. We are not designing a new standard. We are designing an improvement on RFC4880. I don't want to rewrite major parts of KMail / GpgOL / Kleopatra with some weird unstandartized custom compression stuff. It's a part of OpenPGP. IMO it's a good part. It's nice that you guys have new ideas but we have literally millions and possibly billions of users already and we have to be f'''ing rock solid in our implementations and in our standards. Best Regards, Andre -- GnuPG.com - a brand of g10 Code, the GnuPG experts. g10 Code GmbH, Erkrath/Germany, AG Wuppertal HRB14459 GF Werner Koch, USt-Id DE215605608, www.g10code.com.
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- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Vincent Breitmoser
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Neal H. Walfield
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Vincent Breitmoser
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support James Howard
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Andrey Jivsov
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Vincent Breitmoser
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Andre Heinecke
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Vincent Breitmoser
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Andre Heinecke
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Andre Heinecke
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Daniel A. Nagy
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Bart Butler
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Marcus Brinkmann
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Ronald Tse
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Bart Butler
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support ilf
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [openpgp] 4880bis status Neal H. Walfield
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Neal H. Walfield
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Neal H. Walfield
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Andre Heinecke
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Neal H. Walfield
- Re: [openpgp] Deprecating compression support Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [openpgp] 4880bis status Bart Butler