Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a controller in MUD
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 26 June 2019 21:26 UTC
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Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a controller in MUD
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Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote: >>> There will ALWAYS be a need for an administrator in the enterprise >>> case. But maybe with the options above we can ease the consumer burden >>> over time. In the consumer case, you might want an app for initial >>> device admission control anyway, no? Can we not rely on that >>> interaction as an approval step in this instance? >> >> I think we'd all like to have a generic app (with an RFC standard API) that >> can onboard any device and can do admission control for any controller. >> I think this is what you are saying as well. > Yes, but I was saying a bit more. Do you expect to fully automate the > inclusion of a controller into a controller class in the home? How do > you envision the full flow looking like? I expect to fully automate the inclusion of a controller into that class, yes. I'd like to automate the device into the class too. Perhaps your point is that since the controller has to onboard (at the layer-7) the device in anyway: can we leverage that? >> yes, this is exactly what I was thinking about. >> >> Would "mud-urls" / "include" be mutually exclusive? > I don’t see why it would have to be. But now let’s back up, just to > make sure we’re not digging too deep a hole for the application case > that Ranga wants to get to. If the MUD protected device is declaring > MUD URLs for MUD controllers and that is what all of this would boil > down to, then the app case is really a completely separate mechanism, > because apps don’t have MUD-URLs. > If we do a two-stage, then we need a completely separate draft for apps > anyway, but I was hoping for some commonality. Hmm. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
- [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controller i… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… M. Ranganathan
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Michael Richardson
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… M. Ranganathan
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Michael Richardson
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Michael Richardson
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Qin Wu
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Qin Wu
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… M. Ranganathan
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Qin Wu
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Qin Wu
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… M. Ranganathan