Re: [P2PSIP] [P2PSIP:Survey] P2PSIP Client Character/Behavior
Spencer Dawkins <spencer@mcsr-labs.org> Fri, 16 November 2007 19:32 UTC
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:32:30 -0600
From: Spencer Dawkins <spencer@mcsr-labs.org>
Subject: Re: [P2PSIP] [P2PSIP:Survey] P2PSIP Client Character/Behavior
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If I have confused Henry and other people - in Philip's note that Henry replied to, the text was "but none of us are strong advocates of clients". This was from MY earlier posting, on 15-Nov-07, at 08:23, where the context was > (HINT: the application scenarios draft includes analysis about > whether each scenario seems to require "P2P Client Support" and/or > "Interoperation with CS-SIP" - I don't think any of the draft > authors are prejudiced against clients, but none of us are strong > advocates of clients, so it would be good to have client advocates > develop opinions about whether that analysis is reasonable or not) I was referring to the draft authors for a specific draft, not to the entire working group, or the entire P2P community :-) What I meant by this was that the draft authors had gone through each application scenario, looking for the scenarios that seemed to require more users than peers, assuming that the way you support more users than peers is through SOME kind of client, either CS-SIP or "a client protocol", and trying to visualize whether CS-SIP would be sufficient in these scenarios, but none of the authors had expressed strong opinions about the need for a non-SIP client protocol during our work on the draft. When this draft was submitted, none of us had written a draft advocating non-SIP clients, although Eunsoo said earlier this week that he will do that. That's ALL I meant, and if people would like to express opinions about application scenarios in http://tools.ietf.org/wg/p2psip/draft-bryan-p2psip-app-scenarios-00.txt, we would be thrilled to hear them. Thanks, Spencer _______________________________________________ P2PSIP mailing list P2PSIP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2psip
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- RE: [P2PSIP] Proposal for progress on protocols Zheng Hewen
- Re: [P2PSIP] Proposal for progress on protocols Victor Pascual Ávila
- RE: [P2PSIP] Proposal for progress on protocols Zheng Hewen
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- Re: [P2PSIP] Proposal for progress on protocols Philip Matthews
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- Re: [P2PSIP] Proposal for progress on protocols Philip Matthews
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- Re: [P2PSIP] Proposal for progress on protocols Spencer Dawkins
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- RE: client protocol ([P2PSIP] Proposal for progre… Yao Wang
- RE: client protocol ([P2PSIP] Proposal for progre… Zheng Hewen
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- Re: [P2PSIP] [P2PSIP:Survey] P2PSIP Client Charac… Eunsoo Shim
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- Re: [P2PSIP] [P2PSIP:Survey] P2PSIP Client Charac… Spencer Dawkins
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- Re: [P2PSIP] [P2PSIP:Survey] P2PSIP Client Charac… Eunsoo Shim
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- Re: [P2PSIP] [P2PSIP:Survey] P2PSIP Client Charac… Eunsoo Shim
- Re: [P2PSIP] [P2PSIP:Survey] P2PSIP Client Charac… Victor Pascual Ávila
- RE: [P2PSIP] [P2PSIP:Survey] P2PSIP Client Charac… Henry Sinnreich
- RE: [P2PSIP] [P2PSIP:Survey] P2PSIP Client Charac… Zheng Hewen
- RE: [P2PSIP] [P2PSIP:Survey] P2PSIP Client Charac… Zheng Hewen
- RE: [P2PSIP] [P2PSIP:Survey] P2PSIP Client Charac… Zheng Hewen
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