Re: [pcp] Fwd: Comparison of PCP authentication
Sam Hartman <hartmans@painless-security.com> Wed, 29 August 2012 18:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [pcp] Fwd: Comparison of PCP authentication
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I was not at the meeting. I'll note a couple of IETF process points though; RFC 2418 is a good read on issues like this: 1) This decision would need to be confirmed on the list anyway; a consensus of the room does not make a decision. 2) Let's say that there were 8 hands in favor of PANA onsame port and 4 hands in favor of PCP-specific. That's kind of questionable as a rough consensus. It's certainly sufficient to say that the room was moving towards PANA on same port, but 2/3 is kind of iffy for calling rough consensus depending on the issue and on level of discussion. Certainly, if additional discussion doesn't make things more clear, and if we confirm that the WG is more interested in progress on this issue than blocking (which I suspect strongly it is), then you might eventually make a decision at 2/3. You might make a decision at 2/3 much earlier if no one in the 1/3 cared much. I was not counted in the room, so I'll need to be counted when confirming on the list. I prefer a PCP-specific solution. However, I need more information before I'll be able to say whether I strongly prefer the PCP-specific solution, or whether it's a weak preference among similar technical approaches. I know there are others who have expressed opinions who were not in the room. For example I think Alper has indicated he prefers a PANA-based solution and I believe I recall he could not make the meeting. I definitely would prefer understanding all the options. --Sam
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- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Dan Wing
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Dan Wing
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication james woodyatt
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Sam Hartman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Zhangdacheng (Dacheng)
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Sam Hartman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Dan Wing
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Sam Hartman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Dan Wing
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Zhangdacheng (Dacheng)
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Dan Wing
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Zhangdacheng (Dacheng)
- [pcp] single port PANA+PCP Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] single port PANA+PCP Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Sam Hartman
- Re: [pcp] single port PANA+PCP Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] single port PANA+PCP Dan Wing
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Dan Wing
- Re: [pcp] single port PANA+PCP Dan Wing
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Dan Wing
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Sam Hartman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Dan Wing
- Re: [pcp] single port PANA+PCP Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Sam Hartman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Zhangdacheng (Dacheng)
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Zhangdacheng (Dacheng)
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Sam Hartman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Alper Yegin
- [pcp] channel binding (was Re: Comparison of PCP … Alper Yegin
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- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Sam Hartman
- Re: [pcp] channel binding Sam Hartman
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [pcp] channel binding Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication Zhangdacheng (Dacheng)
- [pcp] Fwd: Comparison of PCP authentication Subir Das
- Re: [pcp] Fwd: Comparison of PCP authentication Dan Wing
- Re: [pcp] Fwd: Comparison of PCP authentication Subir Das
- Re: [pcp] Fwd: Comparison of PCP authentication Sam Hartman