Re: [pcp] Comparison of PCP authentication
Margaret Wasserman <mrw@lilacglade.org> Mon, 06 August 2012 23:09 UTC
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Another important point to consider, James. Thanks! Margaret On Aug 6, 2012, at 7:03 PM, james woodyatt wrote: > On Aug 6, 2012, at 13:02 , Margaret Wasserman <mrw@lilacglade.org> wrote: >> >> Do you know what existing PANA implementations will do if the "Reserved" field at the start of the packet is non-zero? > > A related question might be what existing NAT-PMP implementations will do if they receive a message containing a PANA packet. Assuming they comply with I-D.cheshire-nat-pmp-03, they will interpret the first two octets of a PANA message as an announcement request, and they will reply with the announcement response message shown below. > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Vers = 0 | OP = 128 + 0 | Result Code | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Seconds Since Start of Epoch | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | External IP Address (a.b.c.d) | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > If a PCP server needs to implement NAT-PMP too, then it can easily distinguish a NAT-PMP announcement request from a PANA message, but one wonders if a PANA client expecting to authenticate to such a server can deal with replies from a NAT-PMP server that knows nothing about either PCP or NAT-PMP. > > > -- > james woodyatt <jhw@apple.com> > member of technical staff, core os networking > > > > _______________________________________________ > pcp mailing list > pcp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcp
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