Re: [pcp] gss-eap & client-side rexmit only

Sam Hartman <hartmans@painless-security.com> Thu, 18 October 2012 13:25 UTC

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From: Sam Hartman <hartmans@painless-security.com>
To: Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org>
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:25:13 -0400
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>>>> "Alper" == Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org> writes:

    Alper> Sam, You claimed you can design an EAP lower layer that's
    Alper> always client driven, and gave GSS-EAP as an example of how
    Alper> you did it.

    Alper> So, I had already looked at it and still don't see it how.
    Alper> See below for the last email I sent on this matter which went
    Alper> unanswered.

Hi Alper.
I think I've done a number of things to try and walk you through this:

* We've had multiple discussions on the list where we discussed whether
  this was possible in the EAP spec
* I pointed you at the gss-eap specification
* I gave textual explanations of how it works
* I went over it on the call again yesterday

* During the PANA implementation discussion  I pointed you at an
  open-source implementation of GSS-EAP and particularly pointed you at
  the part of the code that interacts with the EAP library.

Other people do seem to be following this issue at this point, so I'm afraid we're talking past each other.
I'm sorry about that, but perhaps it would make more sense for you to try and
	work with someone else on this issue.
If there are PCP implementors on this who need to discuss this in more detail
	I'd be happy to try and help as I can.
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:24:51 -0400
In-Reply-To: <F06C0780-EF37-435E-B45D-497111E12B47@yegin.org> (Alper Yegin's
	message of "Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:04:43 +0300")
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