Re: [pim] draft-ietf-pim-multicast-lessons-learned-02 & BIDIR-PIM

Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Fri, 08 December 2023 19:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [pim] draft-ietf-pim-multicast-lessons-learned-02 & BIDIR-PIM
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> Well, I wonder if ASM is less like a baby and maybe more like a 
> middle-aged freeloader, who eats all your food, drinks all your beer, 
> frightens the children and makes it difficult to meet new friends, but we 
> keep around bc we had some great times in high school together ;)

ASM allows you to discover new friends. Otherwise, you have to guess and ask someone to be your friend. ;-)

Dino