Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] The method of identifying "the same server" (#3155)

Kazuho Oku <notifications@github.com> Tue, 29 October 2019 07:17 UTC

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FWIW, the discussion here relates to issue #3111 (PR #3166).

If we are to say that the scope of a token is tied to the identity of the server (i.e. server certificate), it becomes impractical to use token-based greasing for hosts that are not hosted by multiple entities (i.e. multi-CDN use-case). This is because owners of such hosts would not want to see an additional round-trip due to Version Negotiation packet being sent in response to an unknown version.

If we are to say that the scope of a token is a tuple of the server identity and the server address, maybe that becomes an non-issue, as we can assume that the tuple uniquely identifies the operator of the server.

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