Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted Traffic
Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> Fri, 30 September 2022 16:51 UTC
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Subject: Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted Traffic
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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From: Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>
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see inline. Carsten Bormann wrote on 2022-09-30 00:37: > On 2022-09-30, at 09:25, Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> wrote: >> >> what did you have in mind as an example of this, that i might not dislike? > > ... > > The part I do not understand is why this is always framed in terms of > uncontrolled (unrestricted) visibility, i.e., everybody who manages to > get hold of a packet has full visibility. i could live with uncontrolled visibility on my own VM server's internal networks, or on my datacenter or home LAN. i am open to other ways to achieve the nec'y visibility -- i don't require that it be uncontrolled. > ... > > Instead, I'd prefer to pursue something that I'd call Authorized > Visibility (AV). Here, the communication actors explicitly provide > visibility to additional justified parties, not simply to any > eavesdropper that comes along. ... i'd be fine with this, as long as it was possible for my gateway to determine at line rate whether each packet trying to get through was participating in the Authorized Visibility regime you're describing. > Grüße, Carsten and you. -- P Vixie
- Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted Traff… Randy Armstrong (OPC)
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Paul Vixie
- RE: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Randy Armstrong (OPC)
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Roberto Peon
- RE: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Randy Armstrong (OPC)
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Salz, Rich
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Paul Vixie
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Martin Thomson
- RE: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Randy Armstrong (OPC)
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Eliot Lear
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Paul Vixie
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Paul Vixie
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Carsten Bormann
- RE: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Randy Armstrong (OPC)
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Eliot Lear
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Lucas Pardue
- RE: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Randy Armstrong (OPC)
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Eliot Lear
- RE: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Randy Armstrong (OPC)
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Lars Eggert
- RE: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Randy Armstrong (OPC)
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Randy Armstrong (OPC)
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Matt Joras
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Paul Vixie
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Dave Taht
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Lucas Pardue
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Christian Huitema
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Randy Armstrong (OPC)
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Christian Huitema
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Christian Huitema
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Randy Armstrong (OPC)
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Willy Tarreau
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Paul Vixie
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Lucas Pardue
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Antoine FRESSANCOURT
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Dirkjan Ochtman
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Lucas Pardue
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Lucas Pardue
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Martin Duke
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Michael Tuexen
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Roberto Peon
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Lucas Pardue
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Eliot Lear
- Re: Request for Authenticated but not Encrypted T… Phillip Hallam-Baker