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Re: Consensus Calls for Transport/TLS issues, post-Cupertino

"Martin Thomson" <mt@lowentropy.net> Tue, 29 October 2019 03:32 UTC

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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:31:54 +1100
From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
To: 'Eric Rescorla' <ekr@rtfm.com>
Cc: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>, Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>, Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>, David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>, Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen <mikkelfj@gmail.com>, IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>, Kazuho Oku <kazuhooku@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Consensus Calls for Transport/TLS issues, post-Cupertino
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, at 10:34, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:47 PM Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, at 10:01, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> >  > I think we're clearly going to need to spend some time on this. I don't 
> >  > think the spec is satisfactory as-is: we should be designing a 
> >  > transport that works for all use cases, not just H3. That said, I also 
> >  > don't agree that we need an additional explicit signal. We have one, 
> >  > it's called "ACK". We should figure out how to make that work.
> > 
> >  I think that we've established that ACK doesn't work without something to push it along.
> 
> No, I don't agree with that assessment.

Well, I'd like some proof.  I shared what I believe to be proof earlier.  Happy to walk through it again though.

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