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Pieter Vandepitte <pieter.vandepitte@dnsbelgium.be> Wed, 23 May 2018 11:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: [regext] WGLC: draft-ietf-regext-org-02
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Chairs,

Do we postpone the submission to IESG or do I continue my write-up?

@Patrick, did you have time in mean time to catch up? How would you like the draft to be changed in order to support it? I guess it's the fact that roles are defined as properties of the organization and at the same time as properties of the link?

Kind regards

Pieter

> On 22 May 2018, at 08:57, Pieter Vandepitte <pieter.vandepitte@dnsbelgium.be> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Other thoughts? I think it's important as document shepherd to know whether we should move on or not.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Pieter
> 
>> On 21 May 2018, at 05:19, Patrick Mevzek <pm@dotandco.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, May 11, 2018, at 15:32, James Galvin wrote:
>>> With that, version 06 of this document has been published and the chairs 
>>> are declaring WGLC closed.  The document is now ready for submission to 
>>> IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.
>> 
>> Isn't that a little rushed?
>> 
>>> From a quick search I have found about only 2 explicit mention of support of this document, from Pieter and Scott (as for myself I can not say I explicitely support it because I am still uneasy by the need for it or not seeing it and still not understanding some part of it like all the "role" part).
>> 
>> Also the document went into so many iterations during the period that it was basicaly impossible to follow
>> (one night I have tried reviewing its newest version by implementing it in my client... to find out in the morning that a new version went out so I kind of decided to stop giving it my time before it stabilizes in some way); some new comments even just popped out on the mailing-list yesterday.
>> 
>> So I feel uneasy process-wise. Based on the amount of iterations during WGLC it looks like to me that there is at least still some work needed on it, and I am not sure its current version correspond really to the working group consensus.
>> 
>> The above applies the same way for the two "organization" documents.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Patrick Mevzek
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