Re: [Widex] Widex Servers...

Vlad, it will do port forwarding or rewrite the entire dest. IP address
(depending on the NAT). The client may or may not have a NAT or proxy,
depending.

Chuck

Vlad.Stirbu@nokia.com wrote:
> But does the client/renderer communicate directly with the server or via
> a proxy/gateway (even if the client is not aware of the proxy)?
>
> Vlad
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ext Chaz Ginger [mailto:eprparadocs@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: 07 February, 2006 18:03
>> To: Stirbu Vlad (Nokia-TP-MSW/Tampere)
>> Cc: widex@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [Widex] Widex Servers...
>>
>> Vlad,
>>
>> We are back at the beginning.  Having run a number of 
>> "public" sites I can say with some amount of certainty that 
>> they are behind NATs.  I am sure there are some webservers 
>> (well Widex servers in this case) that sit directly on the IP 
>> network, but they are the exception rather than the rule. 
>>
>> Chuck Wegrzyn
>>
>>
>> Vlad.Stirbu@nokia.com wrote:
>>     
>>> It seems that I misunderstood your previous example... I 
>>>       
>> thought that 
>>     
>>> you were talking about Widex servers in corporate networks. So, for 
>>> service providers like Google or Yahoo, the server front-end has a 
>>> globally routable, public IP address (and/or FQDN), similar 
>>>       
>> to section 
>>     
>>> 4.1.2.
>>>
>>> Vlad
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ext Chaz Ginger [mailto:eprparadocs@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: 07 February, 2006 16:40
>>>> To: Stirbu Vlad (Nokia-TP-MSW/Tampere)
>>>> Cc: widex@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Widex] Widex Servers...
>>>>
>>>> Vlad,
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you can explain to me how someone like Google, MSN or Yahoo 
>>>> would offer Widex based services? Are you thinking they would use a 
>>>> VPN?
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> Vlad.Stirbu@nokia.com wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Yes, but in most of those scenarios you are not accessing
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> the servers
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> directly but through some kind of VPN, making the Widex
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> Renderer part
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> of the same network as the Widex Server, case which is already 
>>>>> described in the document.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vlad
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: ext Chaz Ginger [mailto:eprparadocs@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: 07 February, 2006 16:03
>>>>>> To: Stirbu Vlad (Nokia-TP-MSW/Tampere)
>>>>>> Cc: widex@ietf.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Widex] Widex Servers...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vlad,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why wouldn't you include the case of the Widex server behind a 
>>>>>> firewall? I would expect that to be the most common case.
>>>>>> Most companies that I know and work for all use some sort of 
>>>>>> firewall. Am I missing something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vlad.Stirbu@nokia.com wrote:
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: widex-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:widex-bounces@ietf.org] On 
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of ext Chaz Ginger
>>>>>>>> Sent: 06 February, 2006 17:12
>>>>>>>> To: Dean Willis
>>>>>>>> Cc: widex@ietf.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Widex] Widex Servers...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >From looking at the requirement docs I noticed that there
>>>>>>>> isn't a model
>>>>>>>> for a Widex Server behind a NAT.  Why?
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> We haven't considered the case when the Widex Server to be
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>>>>>>>               
>>>> behind a
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>>> NAT device to be very common. For this reason it was not
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>>>>>>>               
>>>> included in
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>>> the scope of this document.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Also why the model where both the server and the renderer
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>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>> are behind
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>> the NAT? Is this specifically to address the notion of 
>>>>>>>>                 
>> localized 
>>     
>>>>>>>> discovery?
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>> Yes, this scenario is specifically related to localized 
>>>>>>>               
>> discovery.
>>     
>>>>>>> Vlad
>>>>>>>
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