Re: [Rfced-future] RFC Editor liaison to the IAB? [was: Re: Comment on draft-iab-rfcefdp-rfced-model-12]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 10 March 2022 22:20 UTC

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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] RFC Editor liaison to the IAB? [was: Re: Comment on draft-iab-rfcefdp-rfced-model-12]
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On 11-Mar-22 10:29, Lars Eggert wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2022-3-10, at 23:20, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No, I disagree. It's not the receiver of a liaison that specifies how the liaison is appointed, it's the sender.
> 
> RFC2850 says in Section 1.2:
> 
>     The Internet Society, the RFC Editor, the IANA and the IESG each
>     appoints a liaison member to the IAB. These liaison positions may not
>     be held by a full member of the IAB.
> 
> Irrespective of whether it's the IAB or the RFC Editor that does the appointing or asking for a liaison, if there is a change, that text would need an update, no?

That's why draft-carpenter-rfced-iab-charter has always said:

Note that RFC 2850 states that the RFC Editor appoints a liaison member
to the IAB. This does not change, but refers to the RFC Editor function
as described in {{I-D.iab-rfcefdp-rfced-model}}.

     Brian