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Re: [Rfced-future] Issue 143: RSAB mailing list archives

Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu> Mon, 10 January 2022 16:46 UTC

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From: Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu>
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 08:46:40 -0800
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To: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
Cc: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, Mirja Kühlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net>, rfced-future@iab.org, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>
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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] Issue 143: RSAB mailing list archives
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Top posting because... phone...

One major reason for needing public archives is to document discussions for
referring future questions and people back to discussions where topics have
already been discussed. We do this in ietf working groups all the time.

-- 
Wes Hardaker
USC/ISI

On Sun, Jan 9, 2022, 23:20 Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 2022-1-8, at 16:19, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> > +1, I'd support whatever "main" list is used by the RSAB
> > being publicly archived. It's ok if they have one or more
> > private lists too (same as IAB/IESG "confirmation" lists
> > and similar) but making the main list archive public is a
> > good improvement.
>
> I'd like to come back to Mirja's question: why do we think we need a
> public mailing list archive in addition to all the things that are already
> public, such as minutes, etc., is needed?
>
> I can understand that the pendulum is swinging towards maximum
> transparency now, given the closed nature of the RSOC.
>
> But as Mirja has outlined, a public archive does put somewhat of a burden
> on the operation of the RSAB, because one will have to much more carefully
> word each message to the list.
>
> This may be an acceptable tradeoff for this particular list, but it's also
> setting a precedent in the IETF, which makes me nervous.
>
> Thanks,
> Lars (as an individual)
>
>

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