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Re: [Rfced-future] Issue 143: RSAB mailing list archives

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Thu, 06 January 2022 23:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] Issue 143: RSAB mailing list archives
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On 1/6/22 12:58 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> On 06-Jan-22 14:37, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> The draft says:
>>
>>      The RSAB shall keep a public record of its proceedings, including
>>      minutes of all meetings and a record of all decisions.
>>
>> Brian Carpenter noted: "As far as I can see, we don't specify whether
>> the RSAB's mailing list does, or doesn't, have a public archive."
>>
>> Do folks have opinions on this point?
>>
>> (Without my editor hat on, I think it's preferable to make the list
>> archives public, in the interest of transparency.)
> 
> So, ignoring the copy-by-value vs copy-by-reference detail, my
> opinion is that RSAB email should be in a public archive *except*
> for anything that amounts to an "executive session" discussion.

Proposed text:

###

The RSAB is expected to operate via an email discussion list,
in-person meetings, teleconferencing systems, and any additional
tooling it deems necessary.

The RSAB shall keep a public record of its proceedings, including
minutes of all meetings and a record of all decisions. Email messages
sent to the RSAB email discussion list or exchanged among all members
of the RSAB shall be publicly archived, with the exception of topics
that require confidentiality (e.g., personnel matters). Similarly,
meeting minutes may exclude detailed information about topics
discussed under executive session, but should note that such topics
were discussed.

###

Peter

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