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Re: [Rfced-future] Issue 143: RSAB mailing list archives

Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> Tue, 11 January 2022 07:10 UTC

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 09:10:03 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] Issue 143: RSAB mailing list archives
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Hi,

On 2022-1-11, at 4:38, Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu> wrote:
> Reasons people in this group want a mailing list archive so far:
> * transparency
> * being able to reference past discussions
> * NEW to answer "Would these discussions not happen in the RSWG anyway?": because it makes the RSAB begins to look like a black box where decisions are made and minutes report high level summaries without the detailed discussions that actually took place.

so maybe my understanding about the new model is off, but: I have understood the proposed structure to be such that the RSAB really doesn't have a lot of leeway when it comes to not approving proposals by the RSWG, especially not without immediately needing to take the discussion back to the RSWG in such cases. In other words, I'm struggling to come up with examples where significant discussions would happen inside the RSAB only.

> * It matches how the IETF operates (with a counter argument of "this isn't an IETF WG")

IMO, it doesn't. The RSWG is supposed to mirror how an IETF WG works, but not the RSAB, which is much more IESG- or IAB-like.

Thanks,
Lars

> Reasons against:
> * free-conversations are easier where people don't have to worry about being quoted/attributed
> * it sets a precedence (though counter arguments have essentially asked "for who?")
> 
> I'm sure I missed something.
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