Re: [Rfcplusplus] IRTF stream considerations

["Aaron Falk" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Allison-

Can you clarify whether you are proposing to end the IRTF RFC stream 
when this new series is created or supplementing it with another, more 
academically oriented stream?  If the former, do you believe all IRTF 
documents can be published either as IETF RFCs or the new type?  (I 
would find that surprising.)

--aaron

On 11 Jul 2018, at 13:26, Allison Mankin wrote:

> (IRTF Chair hat on)
> One of my goals as IRTF Chair is precisely to create a new, non-RFC 
> stream
> for the IRTF. So, IRTF is very much an interested party in this BOF.
>
> The most common response I get during outreach into academia is that 
> RFCs
> aren’t a good medium for most academics. This is despite 
> researchers’ wish
> eventually to have ideas deployed. We’ve been exploring what work 
> product
> will best serve the research community, and . this does include
> distinguishing the work from the RFCs. I like Brian Trammell’s 
> discussion
> in the “conversation” thread very much, btw; he has expressed how 
> academics
> and pseudo-academics contribute very well.
>
> I notice there has been little call for data about IRTF and RFCs. I 
> think
> it’s because RFC does mostly signify a production brand. I’d 
> encourage the
> other streams to examine what makes them production-ready.
>
> We in IRTF do have some work close to production, for example, CFRG 
> crypto
> recommendations. I would want to talk with IESG about appropriate AD
> sponsorship when that would be the best context for a draft.
>
> Other work we would like to place into an IRTF stream with a new 
> brand. I
> expect us to start developing an open, academically reviewed
> proceedings/journal soon, to best serve our researcher contributions. 
> It
> will focus on applied research and running code, similar to ANRW.
>
> In summary, IRTF is ready to start our part of an rfcplusplus 
> experiment.
> We are a part of the IETF community and indeed a part of this BOF 
> (this
> responds to Brian Carpenter’s comment quoted below).
>
> Allison
>
> ——————-
>
> Brian Carpenter wrote:
>
> Ted,
>
> It would be on topic if there was a proposal inside the IRTF to change 
> the
> publication venue for IRTF output. But this is an IETF BOF so all we 
> can do
> is discuss how IETF stream documents are published.
>
> I know this is an inconvenient truth for some people, but there it is.
>
>    Brian


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