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Re: RRG thoughts (was [Bier] [pim] Q on the congestion awareness of routing protocols)

Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Sat, 10 December 2022 23:54 UTC

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From: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 00:56:06 +0100
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Subject: Re: RRG thoughts (was [Bier] [pim] Q on the congestion awareness of routing protocols)
To: Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
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Joel at all,

> The idea of a suitable forum for informal conversation between
> researchers, vendors, and operators, seems useful.

The crux of the matter is that researchers stay around SIGCOMM, vendors
stick to IETF to push RFCs and real operators prefer to go to local NOGs or
Apricot/RIPE/NANOG or IXP centric meetings. Then we have a zoo of those
"OPEN" everything venues.

As an industry we have an issue - we no longer communicate on the tech
level unless you have folks attending and participating in all of
the above. And I am not guessing here ... I am (trying) to be part of
all of the above. It is no longer how IETF started in the early days.

Just take a look at SCION enthusiasts. Observe their struggle to
educate/sell the idea. I am not yet convinced that what they cooked is
solid, but the effort they are taking gives you a good view on the present
situation.

Cheers,
R.

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