Re: [rtcweb] OPS-Dir review of draft-ietf-rtcweb-stun-consent-freshness-13

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Sun, 31 May 2015 13:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] OPS-Dir review of draft-ietf-rtcweb-stun-consent-freshness-13
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Hi,

>> I'd prefer to limit the number of documents that try to design APIs.
>> 
>> Can we do something more generic, like "Applications that use the 
>> RTWEB transport will need to be notified when transmission ceases 
>> due to expiry of consent. The design of APIs to carry these 
>> notifications  is out of scope for this document."?
>
> [BA] Agree with Harald. Loss of STUN consent on a 5-tuple is quite different from tripping 
> a circuit breaker. Let's not design the APIs in this document.

I agree on the not-designing-the-API part.

Regarding Harald's suggested text, it's fine - but I don't think it belongs in this document. Shouldn't it be in the RTCWEB overview and/or security document instead?

The consent freshness draft could then state that the mechanism/requirements how applications are made aware of consent expiration is outside the scope of the document.

Regards,

Christer





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