Re: [rtcweb] Transports: RFC 6062 support
Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> Wed, 12 March 2014 07:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Transports: RFC 6062 support
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On 2014-03-12 01:58, Justin Uberti wrote: > The reason I suggested SHOULD NOT is because I think this technique is > unnecessary for WebRTC, and typically net harmful for the reasons that > Matthew mentions. > > That said, I would be fine with saying MAY and including some > explanatory text; my main concerns was to avoid the ambiguity that would > arise from leaving this out altogether. Okay, as we have considerations, I would leave the RFC 2119 terms out. I think a statement along the lines of the below might be most suitable. Using TURN to provide TCP relay candidates [REF] was considered but not seen as providing any significant benefit. First, use of TURN TCP would only be relevant in cases which both peers requires to use TCP to establish a PeerConnection. Secondly, that use case is anyway supported by both side establishing UDP relay candidates using TURN over TCP [REF]. Thirdly, using TCP only between the endpoint and its relay may result in less issues with TCP in regards to real-time constraints, e.g. due to head of line blocking. Please provide feedback or word smith. Cheers Magnus (As individual) > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Magnus Westerlund > <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com <mailto:magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>> > wrote: > > On 2014-03-06 14:34, Simon Perreault wrote: > > Le 2014-03-06 13:23, Justin Uberti a écrit : > >> can we agree that TURN TCP candidates are a SHOULD NOT? > > > > Not a SHOULD, sure. SHOULD NOT, no. > > > > I would guess that the simplest is to remove discussion of TURN TCP > altogether from Transports. That would not recommend it nor make it > disallowed. If we want to be explicit, then simply motivate why we don't > believe it necessary. > > Justin, what is the reason you wanted SHOULD NOT? > > cheers > > Magnus Westerlund > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Services, Media and Network features, Ericsson Research EAB/TXM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 > <tel:%2B46%2010%207148287> > Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > <tel:%2B46%2073%200949079> > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > <mailto:magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Services, Media and Network features, Ericsson Research EAB/TXM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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