Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-jesup-rtcweb-data-01.txt
Michael Tüxen <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de> Fri, 11 November 2011 17:31 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-jesup-rtcweb-data-01.txt
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On Nov 11, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael Tüxen > <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de> wrote: >> On Nov 11, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Michael Tuexen >>> <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de> wrote: >>>> Hi Michael, >>>>> o DTLS and SCTP handshakes must be performed serially (no matter which order they happen in), which increases the number of round-trips necessary to establish communication. >>>> That is correct. SCTP adds one RTT to whatever DTLS is requiring. >>>> So when using SCTP/DTLS/UDP, DTLS needs 3 RTTs (including the initial >>>> RTT required for the Cookie exchange). >>>> When using DTLS/SCTP/UDP DTLS needs 2 RTTs (since there is no need for >>>> the DTLS Cookie). >>> >>> There's no need for the DTLS cookie in either case, actually, since ICE provides >>> the appropriate proof of return routability. >> I don't know much about ICE.... >> So assume that the endpoint willing to accept DTLS connections. >> Can't I just send an ClientHello via plain UDP to the endpoint (assuming that I can reach it)? > > When ICE is involved, there's no real concept of "an endpoint willing to > accept DTLS connections". At a high level, the way that ICE works is > that the communicating parties establish a session out of band and > then use the ICE handshake to bind one or valid 5-tuple flows to the > the session. Packets that arrive at one endpoint that aren't part of one > of these flows can more or less be discarded. (At least at this stage). OK, you you only pass those packets to DTLS, which belong to the 5 tuple which you have already communicated with, and discard the others, it is OK. So SCTP needs one RTT, DTLS two. Thanks for the clarification. Best regards Michael > > Since the purpose of the DTLS cookie is to prevent blind resource > consumption DoS attacks, and ICE inherently that you're not going > to be doing handshakes with random remote IP addresses, I don't > think there's much of an issue here. > > -Ekr >
- [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-jesup… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Thornburgh
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Randell Jesup
- [rtcweb] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-… Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tuexen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Thornburgh
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tuexen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Saúl Ibarra Corretgé