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RE: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously?

Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com> Thu, 21 December 2017 14:45 UTC

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From: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com>
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
CC: ietf <ietf@ietf.org>, rtgwg <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously?
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> You haven't quite heard what I've said.   What I've said is that you need to start joining in discussions where what is being discussed isn't your draft.

Yes, I know and I meant this, but I said I’m looking for a technical discussion for my drafts as well.



From: rtgwg [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ted Lemon
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 4:23 PM
To: Khaled Omar
Cc: ietf; rtgwg
Subject: Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously?

On Dec 21, 2017, at 4:21 AM, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com<mailto:eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>> wrote:
As I said before, I don't mind to join a discussion if the topic is interesting and its information is clear, but I was tired of asking for technical discussion so it will take the drafts forward.

You haven't quite heard what I've said.   What I've said is that you need to start joining in discussions where what is being discussed isn't your draft.   You need to approach those discussions with an attitude of finding some way to be helpful, not as a way of promoting your interests.   If you come to the IETF to promote your interests, you're not going to be very effective.   You are not being singled out here—people come to the IETF all the time with self-interested motivations; sometimes they manage to get something they wanted out of the process, but it's always a struggle.

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