Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymbk-sidr-transfer-00.txt
"Carlos M. Martinez" <carlosm3011@gmail.com> Sat, 11 July 2015 23:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymbk-sidr-transfer-00.txt
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As Arturo mentions, defining 'actual use' of number resources has proved quite tricky. The only workable assumption is that space that is marked 'available' or 'reserved' in the delegated-extended files is not in use whereas everything else is in use, regardless of whether it is announced in the Internet or not. Even this assumption could lead to unexpected situations here and there as there could be space being recovered that is still routed in bgp while being marked as reserved, not mentioning possible ongoing route hijacks of 'available' space still getting traffic. cheers! -Carlos On 7/11/15 7:18 PM, Arturo Servin wrote: > > How would you define that address space is unused? Because it is > unannounced to the global BGP table? > > Because there is not traffic to it even though is announced? > > This question has come up in several policy discussion in almost every > RIR, it has never been consensus on the answer. So we should probably > considered every transfer as been in use. > > The draft is a good start, thanks for writing it. As soon as I have some > time I will send some comments. > > /as > > > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 at 18:15 Randy Bush <randy@psg.com > <mailto:randy@psg.com>> wrote: > > making assumptions if and how address space is or is not used is a > recipe for mistakes and is not really useful. > > randy > > _______________________________________________ > sidr mailing list > sidr@ietf.org <mailto:sidr@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr > > > > _______________________________________________ > sidr mailing list > sidr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr >
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- [sidr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ym… Chris Morrow
- Re: [sidr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Sandra Murphy
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Sandra Murphy
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Andy Newton
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Arturo Servin
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Andy Newton
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Andy Newton
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymb… Stephen Kent