Re: [sidr] New Version Notification for draft-ymbk-sidr-transfer-00.txt

[Sandra Murphy <[e-mail]>]

On Jul 7, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Stephen Kent <[e-mail]> wrote:

> 
>>> - I think the doc should distinguish between transfers of "live"
>>>   address space vs. transfers of space that is not currently in
>>>   use. The former are more complex tan the latter and thus merit a
>>>   different discussion
>> operationally, you do not have a solid proof of [dis-]use.  and i do not
>> see how they should be treated differently.  prudence says do it as if it
>> is live.
> The TAO I-D describes the differences in constraints imposed on the
> transfer process based on live vs. unused space. Unused is much, much easier
> and seems to be the most common type of space transferred across RIR boundaries.
> Thus it seems worth considering the distinction in a discussion of the problem.


I wasn't looking for this, but I happened upon an APNIC page that describes transfer processes for three cases: unused space, for M&A, and for historical resources.  Answering their questions to get to the right case never got me to a page that is explicitly about transferring live address space.  M&A are likely to be live and historical could be live, I suppose.  i don't find anything in their policy manual that says transfers are only for unused space.

Here's the page about transfer in general:

https://www.apnic.net/services/become-a-member/manage-your-membership/transfer-resources

I think it would be interesting to hear from the RIR's as to whether they require resources to be unused, and for how long, before a transfer is possible.

That of course does not mean that transfers only occur between RIRs, or that we can always know whether address space is in use.

--Sandy, speaking as a regular ol' member

P.S.  From the APNIC site, here are some interesting flowcharts of the process:

Transfer of unused IPv4 and AS Numbers APNIC account holders (flowchart): https://cgi1.apnic.net/assets/apnic/js/apps/transfers/Transfer%20procedure%20of%20unused%20IPv4%20and%20AS%20Numbers%20between%20APNIC%20accounts.pdf

Transfer procedure of unused IPv4 from ARIN to APNIC accounts (flowchart): https://cgi1.apnic.net/assets/apnic/js/apps/transfers/Transfer%20procedure%20of%20unused%20IPv4%20from%20ARIN%20to%20APNIC%20accounts.pdf

detailed diagram for IPv4 transfer from other RIR to APNIC accounts:  https://www.apnic.net/services/become-a-member/manage-your-membership/transfer-resources/ARIN-to-APNIC-IPv4-Transfer-with-Fees.jpg