Re: [sidr] Route Leaks and BGP Security

Danny McPherson <danny@tcb.net> Tue, 22 November 2011 11:00 UTC

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On Nov 22, 2011, at 1:09 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:

>> Probably they are the closest it gets, but a line from the ENISA paper sticks with me:
>> 
>> "Unfortunately, the quality of the IRRs varies, which makes it difficult to rely on them"

Terry: I think this is in large part attributed to lack of formally verifiable IRR objects (i.e,. 
objects bootstrapped by some resource certification mechanism).  There are many other
reasons as well, I'm working with a few folks to try and capture some of these..

> For instance, ALT-DB blows as a source for as701 data... RADB has some
> for AS701...
> Neither has RPSL-Policy-Foo for AS701 :( ('accepts all routes from
> <list-o-customer-asns> && sends-all-routes to
> <everyone-except-SFP-peers>')
> 
> I got the impression that the culture in ripe-region essentially was
> that: "Everyone autogens filters from RIPE-IRR, so ... get that right
> or your internet is very small."

I like that culture, it provides accountability and puts the onus on each operator 
to maintain their information.

-danny