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Re: [Sidrops] request for call for Working Group adoption draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-validation-update

Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow@gmail.com> Thu, 22 April 2021 17:46 UTC

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From: Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 13:46:17 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] request for call for Working Group adoption draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-validation-update
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Not a lot of follow on this... (well, public follow up)

So, I propose this course of action:
  1) this document serves as a 'requirement (and possible solution)' that
sidrops used to identify a problem
  2) send this along as a query/question to the protocol group (IDR) with a
request to:
     a) say: "go forth, this change seems ok, it's small and such"
     b) say: "Good googley-moogley! what are you crazypants people on
about?? of COURSE this needs to be reviewed... please have AD-foobar spin
up SIDR to properly handle this!! TUT-TUT! How cloud you conceive of a
world other than this!!"

      and answer back in 2wks time, one fort-night! and two farthings! (or
something, farthings are metric)

provided no one screams at me about this WHILE I WRITE THE NEXT EMAIL.. we
can send an adoption call/etc in 2wks time OR jump back into our SIDR
pantsuit and get to the business of business.

-chris

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 6:45 PM Christopher Morrow <
christopher.morrow@gmail.com> wrote:

> it seems to me this could be framed as:
>   "Hey, this problem with the protocol is a problem, it's raising problems
> for operations
>     of the systems involved. Let's get the size/shape of the problem
> figured out and get
>     some requirements for a change together to have the SIDR WG fix this
> protocol problem"
>
> that might be hard with SIDR gone, but there are a bunch of ex-SIDR now
> SIDROPS folks in
> SIDROPS who can say:
>   "ok, this seems insane, run fast in the opposite direction!!"
> or:
>   "Err, this isn't horrible, maybe this is easy to just fix in a proposal
> here?"
>
> -chris
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 1:12 PM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
>
>> >>> I'd like to request the chairs to consider initiating a call for
>> >>> working group adoption of
>> draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-validation-update
>> >>
>> >> this is a protocol change and a serious one, and hence does not belong
>> >> in an ops group
>> >
>> > There is ongoing operational problem
>>
>> most protocol problems cause operational problems.  it is a measure of
>> their severity.
>>
>> randy
>>
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