Re: [Sidrops] question on draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification-04

Thomas King <thomas.king@de-cix.net> Fri, 05 June 2020 17:07 UTC

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From: Thomas King <thomas.king@de-cix.net>
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
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+1

I can't name a single IXP doing it, however, rumor has it that it still exists. Probably some research on this topic would make sense to collect some facts?

Best regards,
Thomas

On 05.06.20, 18:55, "Sidrops on behalf of Nick Hilliard" <sidrops-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of nick@foobar.org> wrote:

    Randy Bush wrote on 05/06/2020 17:43:
    > are there really still layer three ixen which put their as in the path?
    > i thought that we finally stomped that out 15-20 years ago.

    I've heard there's a handful of organisations still doing this, but it's 
    a rarity and is dying out.  It would not be productive to build this 
    assumption into any new policy protocol development.

    Nick

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