Re: [Sidrops] question on draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification-04

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sat, 06 June 2020 17:19 UTC

Return-Path: <randy@psg.com>
X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AD13A0ED7 for <sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:19:55 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.899
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qsgRC_vku3ZX for <sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:19:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70F403A09C8 for <sidrops@ietf.org>; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:19:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <randy@psg.com>) id 1jhcU0-0002Xc-DT; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 17:19:48 +0000
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2020 10:19:47 -0700
Message-ID: <m2a71gyuvg.wl-randy@psg.com>
From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
Cc: Job Snijders <job@ntt.net>, sidrops@ietf.org
In-Reply-To: <8ae14898-45d4-c005-5bd8-2dc4ab1822de@foobar.org>
References: <CAEGSd=Bk3Lgte1L0KKP_GU+ieDpETvLk1JTVTLZTv-Z5NrVUoQ@mail.gmail.com> <C01B0098369B2D4391851938DA6700B717A28020@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com> <24249.23930.126312.2484@oz.mt.att.com> <C01B0098369B2D4391851938DA6700B717A2CABA@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com> <CAEGSd=AbOu88VBqjR90+O1H39Pq-1cf+xRb971tZXxSLmL8Ntw@mail.gmail.com> <C01B0098369B2D4391851938DA6700B717A35EC8@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com> <CAEGSd=Dorh5dNaxdS73YaeJXv+5iHBf3B2GbzkE9_5N3fsN3iQ@mail.gmail.com> <m2zh9hzcne.wl-randy@psg.com> <62d49f7b-d709-78c3-9eaf-1770a0d59495@foobar.org> <m2wo4lzb42.wl-randy@psg.com> <20200606155304.GA17909@bench.sobornost.net> <8ae14898-45d4-c005-5bd8-2dc4ab1822de@foobar.org>
User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO)
MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue")
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sidrops/nPmbg95BarN-ITI9LYNPzEFTjmQ>
Subject: Re: [Sidrops] question on draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification-04
X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG <sidrops.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/sidrops>, <mailto:sidrops-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/sidrops/>
List-Post: <mailto:sidrops@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sidrops-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops>, <mailto:sidrops-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2020 17:19:56 -0000

>> What exactly was stomped out?
> route servers not being as-path transparent.\

it was worse.  for some years, pch/woody was pushing layer three
exchanges in africa, using routers not switches.  after some
'discussion' the light dawned.

> IIX is a router:
> https://en.isoc.org.il/iix/iix-tech-info
> i.e. not a traditional IXP: routing policy is controlled by the router
> operator rather than by the participants.

OMG!  we found a st00pid corner case.  let's change the protocol.  :)

randy