Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-considerations-01 - Ends 10/March/2022
Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sat, 05 March 2022 16:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-considerations-01 - Ends 10/March/2022
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why i signed on to co-author this document: fasten seat belts, and take the little yellow pill to think at internet scale. the numbers below are fictitious; no prefixes or ASs were harmed ... i have 420 /24s registered in the repo for my AS 666, folk do seem to deaggrgate, and we are being taught not to use max-len, eh? i move one of those /24s to my other pop/continent/whatever, AS 777 we have seen that the CA withdraws the ROA for 420 prefixes on AS 666 and then issues a new ROA for 419 prefixes on AS 666 (and one on AS777) these two *separate* actions are published in the CA's PP 234 RPs across the internet pick them up 234 RPs across the internet chop the withdrawn ROA into 420 withdraw VRPs and send the VRPs to their routers ghod knows what those routers then do to BGP the 234 RPs chop the new announcement into 419 VRPs and send to their routers ghod knows what those routers then do to BGP and the poor routers are processing all that dren. and we know the quality of their implementations has a bit of variance and i just wanted to move one little /24 and this whole protocol set was designed to minimize impact on routers so it could run lightly on existing hardware yes, i am suggesting you publish 420 separate ROAs; they're cheap. and then we can act on them individually. my mommy taught me that it was not polite to 'support' a draft on which one is a co-author. but i do suggest others read, comment, and, if they agree, support. randy
- [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-considera… Keyur Patel
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Rob Austein
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… George Michaelson
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Tom Harrison
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Di Ma
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… chku
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Stephen Kent
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… YAN Zhiwei
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… YAN Zhiwei
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Keyur Patel
- Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-roa-consi… Ties de Kock