Re: [Simple] Internal WG Review: Recharter of SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions (simple)

[Paul Kyzivat <[e-mail]>]

Ben Campbell wrote:
> No, the June milestone is fine with me. I just wanted to make sure we 
> didn't forget it. I did not originally make the connection, but it makes 
> sense on a re-read.

I also don't care much whether there is an explicit milestone. I was 
just trying to understand if that is still on the table.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> On Jan 30, 2007, at 7:43 PM, Hisham Khartabil wrote:
> 
>> I believe this was to be put into the June milestone. But I guess Ben
>> and Paul want to see it as one of the primary milestones listed.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hisham
>>
>> On 31/01/07, Ben Campbell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> I also remember that being brought up, and also don't remember the
>>> outcome ;-)
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>>>
>>> > Wasn't there some talk of a need to specify how to choose between
>>> > MESSAGE and MSRP, and/or to transition between them in support of a
>>> > single conversation?
>>> >
>>> > E.g. send a MESSAGE because there may never be a conversation, but
>>> > then INVITE with an MSRP session to continue the conversation. The
>>> > need here would be for a way to tie these things together so it is
>>> > clear that they are part of the same conversation. There are
>>> > obviously issues with involving the same pair of UAs in both.
>>> >
>>> > I seem to recall this was discussed at some point, but I'm not sure
>>> > and if so I don't remember the outcome.
>>> >
>>> >       Paul
>>> >
>>> > IESG Secretary wrote:
>>> >> A new charter for the SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence
>>> >> Leveraging
>>> >> Extensions (simple) working group in the Real-time Applications and
>>> >> Infrastructure Area of the IETF is being considered. The draft
>>> >> charter is provided below for your review and comment.
>>> >> Review time is one week.
>>> >> The IETF Secretariat
>>> >> +++
>>> >> SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions (simple)
>>> >> =====================================================================
>>> >> =
>>> >> Last Modified: 2007-1-24
>>> >> Current Status: Active Working Group
>>> >> Chair(s):
>>> >> Robert Sparks <[e-mail]>
>>> >> Hisham Khartabil <[e-mail]>
>>> >> Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Director(s):
>>> >> Jon Peterson <[e-mail]>
>>> >> Cullen Jennings <[e-mail]>
>>> >> Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Advisor:
>>> >> Jon Peterson <[e-mail]>
>>> >> Technical Advisor(s):
>>> >> Jon Peterson <[e-mail]>
>>> >> Mailing Lists:
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>>> >> Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/simple/index.html
>>> >> Description of Working Group:
>>> >> This working group focuses on the application of the Session
>>> >> Initiation
>>> >> Protocol (SIP, RFC 3261) to the suite of services collectively
>>> >> known as
>>> >> instant messaging and presence (IMP). The IETF has committed to
>>> >> producing an interoperable standard for these services compliant
>>> >> to the requirements for IM outlined in RFC 2779 (including the
>>> >> security and privacy requirements there) and in the Common
>>> >> Presence and Instant Messaging (CPIM) specification, developed
>>> >> within the IMPP working group. As the most common services for
>>> >> which SIP is used share quite a bit in common with IMP, the
>>> >> adaptation of SIP to IMP seems a natural choice given the
>>> >> widespread support for (and relative maturity of) the
>>> >> SIP standard.
>>> >> This group has completed the majority of its primary goals and
>>> >> will focus on the remaining tasks documented here and concluding.
>>> >> Any proposed new work should be socialized with the chairs and AD
>>> >> early to determine if this WG is an appropriate venue.
>>> >> The primary remaining work of this group will be to complete:
>>> >> 1. The MSRP proposed standard mechanism for transporting sessions of
>>> >> messages initiated using the SIP, compliant to the requirments of
>>> >> RFC 2779, CPIM and BCP 41.
>>> >> 2. The XCAP framework for representing and carrying configuration and
>>> >> policy information in SIMPLE systems.
>>> >> 3. A mechanism for representing partial changes (patches) to XML
>>> >> documents and extensions to the SIMPLE publication and
>>> >> notification mechanisms to convey these partial changes.
>>> >> 4. A mechanism for initiating and managing Instant Message group
>>> >> chat.
>>> >> 5. An annotated overview of the SIMPLE protocol definition documents.
>>> >> Any SIP extensions proposed in the course of this development
>>> >> will, after a last call process, be transferred to the SIP WG for
>>> >> consideration as formal SIP extensions.
>>> >> Any mechanisms created for managing Instant Message group chat are
>>> >> intended to provide a bridge to the conferencing protocols that
>>> >> will be defined in XCON. They will be limited in scope to address
>>> >> only simple Instant Message chat with nicknames and will not attempt
>>> >> to address complex conferencing concepts such as sidebars. Their
>>> >> design must anticipate operating in conjunction with the
>>> >> conferencing protocols XCON is working towards.
>>> >> The working group will work within the framework for presence and IM
>>> >> described in RFC 2778. The extensions it defines must also be
>>> >> compliant with the SIP processes for extensions. The group cannot
>>> >> modify baseline SIP behavior or define a new version of SIP for IM
>>> >> and presence. If the group determines that any capabilities
>>> >> requiring an extension to SIP are needed, the group will seek to
>>> >> define such
>>> >> extensions within the SIP working group, and then use them here.
>>> >> Goals and Milestones:
>>> >> Done Submission of event package for presence to IESG for
>>> >> publication as Proposed Standard
>>> >> Done Submission of watcher information drafts to IESG for
>>> >> publication as Proposed Standards
>>> >> Done Submission of proposed event list mechanism to the SIP
>>> >> working group Done Submission of requirements for event publishing
>>> >> to the IESG for
>>> >> publication as Proposed Standard
>>> >> Done Submission of proposed mechanism for event publishing to the SIP
>>> >> working group
>>> >> Done Submission of SIMPLE PIDF profile to IESG for publication as
>>> >> Proposed Standard
>>> >> Done Submission of base XCAP draft to IESG for publication as
>>> >> Proposed
>>> >> Standard
>>> >> Done Submission of indication of instant message preparation using
>>> >> SIP to IESG for publication as a Proposed Standard
>>> >> Done Submission of XCAP usage for manipulation of presence document
>>> >> content
>>> >> Done Submission of XCAP usage for setting presence authorization
>>> >> to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard
>>> >> Done Submission of Filtering mechanisms to IESG for publication as a
>>> >> Proposed Standard
>>> >> Done Submission of instant messaging session draft to IESG for
>>> >> publication as a Proposed Standard
>>> >> Done Submission of instant messaging session relay drafts to IESG for
>>> >> publication as Proposed Standards
>>> >> Done Submission of Partial Notification mechanism to IESG for
>>> >> publication as a Proposed Standard
>>> >> Feb 2007 Submission of an Instant Message Disposition Notification
>>> >> mechanism to the IESG for publication as a Proposed Standard
>>> >> Feb 2007 Submission of XCAP event package to IESG or appropriate
>>> >> working group targeting publication as Proposed Standard
>>> >> Feb 2007 Submission of proposed mechanisms meeting the advanced
>>> >> messaging requirements to the IESG or appropriate working group
>>> >> Mar 2007 Submission of a performance and scalability analysis of the
>>> >> SIMPLE presence mechanisms to the IESG for publication as
>>> >> Informational
>>> >> Jun 2007 Submission of SIMPLE protocol annotated overview draft to
>>> >> IESG
>>> >> for publication as Informational
>>> >> Aug 2007 Submission of proposed mechanisms for initiating and
>>> >> managing
>>> >> Instant Message group chat to the IESG for publication as Proposed
>>> >> Standard
>>> >> Aug 2007 Conclusion of SIMPLE
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