Re: [Simple] Internal WG Review: Recharter of SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions (simple)

[Ben Campbell <[e-mail]>]

No, the June milestone is fine with me. I just wanted to make sure we  
didn't forget it. I did not originally make the connection, but it  
makes sense on a re-read.

On Jan 30, 2007, at 7:43 PM, Hisham Khartabil wrote:

> I believe this was to be put into the June milestone. But I guess Ben
> and Paul want to see it as one of the primary milestones listed.
>
> Regards,
> Hisham
>
> On 31/01/07, Ben Campbell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> I also remember that being brought up, and also don't remember the
>> outcome ;-)
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>>
>> > Wasn't there some talk of a need to specify how to choose between
>> > MESSAGE and MSRP, and/or to transition between them in support of a
>> > single conversation?
>> >
>> > E.g. send a MESSAGE because there may never be a conversation, but
>> > then INVITE with an MSRP session to continue the conversation. The
>> > need here would be for a way to tie these things together so it is
>> > clear that they are part of the same conversation. There are
>> > obviously issues with involving the same pair of UAs in both.
>> >
>> > I seem to recall this was discussed at some point, but I'm not sure
>> > and if so I don't remember the outcome.
>> >
>> >       Paul
>> >
>> > IESG Secretary wrote:
>> >> A new charter for the SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence
>> >> Leveraging
>> >> Extensions (simple) working group in the Real-time Applications  
>> and
>> >> Infrastructure Area of the IETF is being considered. The draft
>> >> charter is provided below for your review and comment.
>> >> Review time is one week.
>> >> The IETF Secretariat
>> >> +++
>> >> SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions  
>> (simple)
>> >>  
>> =====================================================================
>> >> =
>> >> Last Modified: 2007-1-24
>> >> Current Status: Active Working Group
>> >> Chair(s):
>> >> Robert Sparks <[e-mail]>
>> >> Hisham Khartabil <[e-mail]>
>> >> Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Director(s):
>> >> Jon Peterson <[e-mail]>
>> >> Cullen Jennings <[e-mail]>
>> >> Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Advisor:
>> >> Jon Peterson <[e-mail]>
>> >> Technical Advisor(s):
>> >> Jon Peterson <[e-mail]>
>> >> Mailing Lists:
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>> >> Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/simple/index.html
>> >> Description of Working Group:
>> >> This working group focuses on the application of the Session
>> >> Initiation
>> >> Protocol (SIP, RFC 3261) to the suite of services collectively
>> >> known as
>> >> instant messaging and presence (IMP). The IETF has committed to
>> >> producing an interoperable standard for these services compliant
>> >> to the requirements for IM outlined in RFC 2779 (including the
>> >> security and privacy requirements there) and in the Common
>> >> Presence and Instant Messaging (CPIM) specification, developed
>> >> within the IMPP working group. As the most common services for
>> >> which SIP is used share quite a bit in common with IMP, the
>> >> adaptation of SIP to IMP seems a natural choice given the
>> >> widespread support for (and relative maturity of) the
>> >> SIP standard.
>> >> This group has completed the majority of its primary goals and
>> >> will focus on the remaining tasks documented here and concluding.
>> >> Any proposed new work should be socialized with the chairs and AD
>> >> early to determine if this WG is an appropriate venue.
>> >> The primary remaining work of this group will be to complete:
>> >> 1. The MSRP proposed standard mechanism for transporting  
>> sessions of
>> >> messages initiated using the SIP, compliant to the requirments of
>> >> RFC 2779, CPIM and BCP 41.
>> >> 2. The XCAP framework for representing and carrying  
>> configuration and
>> >> policy information in SIMPLE systems.
>> >> 3. A mechanism for representing partial changes (patches) to XML
>> >> documents and extensions to the SIMPLE publication and
>> >> notification mechanisms to convey these partial changes.
>> >> 4. A mechanism for initiating and managing Instant Message group
>> >> chat.
>> >> 5. An annotated overview of the SIMPLE protocol definition  
>> documents.
>> >> Any SIP extensions proposed in the course of this development
>> >> will, after a last call process, be transferred to the SIP WG for
>> >> consideration as formal SIP extensions.
>> >> Any mechanisms created for managing Instant Message group chat are
>> >> intended to provide a bridge to the conferencing protocols that
>> >> will be defined in XCON. They will be limited in scope to address
>> >> only simple Instant Message chat with nicknames and will not  
>> attempt
>> >> to address complex conferencing concepts such as sidebars. Their
>> >> design must anticipate operating in conjunction with the
>> >> conferencing protocols XCON is working towards.
>> >> The working group will work within the framework for presence  
>> and IM
>> >> described in RFC 2778. The extensions it defines must also be
>> >> compliant with the SIP processes for extensions. The group cannot
>> >> modify baseline SIP behavior or define a new version of SIP for IM
>> >> and presence. If the group determines that any capabilities
>> >> requiring an extension to SIP are needed, the group will seek to
>> >> define such
>> >> extensions within the SIP working group, and then use them here.
>> >> Goals and Milestones:
>> >> Done Submission of event package for presence to IESG for
>> >> publication as Proposed Standard
>> >> Done Submission of watcher information drafts to IESG for
>> >> publication as Proposed Standards
>> >> Done Submission of proposed event list mechanism to the SIP
>> >> working group Done Submission of requirements for event publishing
>> >> to the IESG for
>> >> publication as Proposed Standard
>> >> Done Submission of proposed mechanism for event publishing to  
>> the SIP
>> >> working group
>> >> Done Submission of SIMPLE PIDF profile to IESG for publication as
>> >> Proposed Standard
>> >> Done Submission of base XCAP draft to IESG for publication as
>> >> Proposed
>> >> Standard
>> >> Done Submission of indication of instant message preparation using
>> >> SIP to IESG for publication as a Proposed Standard
>> >> Done Submission of XCAP usage for manipulation of presence  
>> document
>> >> content
>> >> Done Submission of XCAP usage for setting presence authorization
>> >> to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard
>> >> Done Submission of Filtering mechanisms to IESG for publication  
>> as a
>> >> Proposed Standard
>> >> Done Submission of instant messaging session draft to IESG for
>> >> publication as a Proposed Standard
>> >> Done Submission of instant messaging session relay drafts to  
>> IESG for
>> >> publication as Proposed Standards
>> >> Done Submission of Partial Notification mechanism to IESG for
>> >> publication as a Proposed Standard
>> >> Feb 2007 Submission of an Instant Message Disposition Notification
>> >> mechanism to the IESG for publication as a Proposed Standard
>> >> Feb 2007 Submission of XCAP event package to IESG or appropriate
>> >> working group targeting publication as Proposed Standard
>> >> Feb 2007 Submission of proposed mechanisms meeting the advanced
>> >> messaging requirements to the IESG or appropriate working group
>> >> Mar 2007 Submission of a performance and scalability analysis  
>> of the
>> >> SIMPLE presence mechanisms to the IESG for publication as
>> >> Informational
>> >> Jun 2007 Submission of SIMPLE protocol annotated overview draft to
>> >> IESG
>> >> for publication as Informational
>> >> Aug 2007 Submission of proposed mechanisms for initiating and
>> >> managing
>> >> Instant Message group chat to the IESG for publication as Proposed
>> >> Standard
>> >> Aug 2007 Conclusion of SIMPLE
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