Re: [Sip] Open Issue #7: CANCEL for non-INVITE
"Henning G. Schulzrinne" <hgs@cs.columbia.edu> Mon, 24 September 2001 17:06 UTC
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From: "Henning G. Schulzrinne" <hgs@cs.columbia.edu>
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James Undery wrote: > > The problem I see here is the difference between complete immidately, > and the ability to cancel before completion. For example this all > started because of REGISTER, sending 100 then attempting to do the > database magic (possibly over a network) makes sense to restrict > retransmission, yet providing full rollback semantics to allow the > REGISTER to cancel is trickier. As I have tried to say numerous times before, nobody has to implement CANCEL even under the current state of affairs. If CANCELing REGISTER is difficult (which seems likely), just don't do it. CANCEL is advisory, an optimization. Somehow the "doesn't work for all cases" seems to get confused with "it's never useful". There are three possible views of the non-INVITE world: (1)everything must complete immediately (i.e., within 500 ms) -> no 1xx, no CANCEL (2) most non-INVITE complete immediately almost all the time, but on occasion they don't (2a) but these things are never cancellable (whether with CANCEL or something else) (2b) for some cases, they are cancellable I've argued for 2b, simply because I can't rule out this case and since it seems to reflect reality in other spheres of life. CANCEL makes sense for view 2b, although it has been argued that you could also devise a new method for methods where 2b holds. (However, that clearly only works if overlapping transactions are allowed.) That is an approximation to CANCEL, but not quite functionally equivalent, due to the different forking proxy behavior. -- Henning Schulzrinne http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs _______________________________________________ Sip mailing list http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip
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- RE: [Sip] Open Issue #7: CANCEL for non-INVITE Robert Sparks
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- Re: [Sip] Open Issue #7: CANCEL for non-INVITE Henning G. Schulzrinne
- Re: [Sip] Open Issue #7: CANCEL for non-INVITE Bob Penfield
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- Re: [Sip] Open Issue #7: CANCEL for non-INVITE Christer Holmberg
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- Re: [Sip] Open Issue #7: CANCEL for non-INVITE Bob Penfield
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