Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-03.txt
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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-03.txt
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Hi, >> Maybe I have misunderstood something, but the latest version (-05) still talks about updating 7315, 7976 is not even mentioned. >> Is the intention to UPDATE 7976, or to REPLACE 7976 (bis)? In general, having multiple "parallel" specs updating the same chapter (5.7), >> and the same text within that chapter, is not a good approach. > > When I suggested this approach my thought was that this should be a replacement for rfc7976, and be renamed rfc7976_bis. That seems like the best approach. Another approach would be up update 7976, but then the draft should only contain the stuff that is actually updated. But, a bis is probably a better approach. >> Also, as Paul mentioned, it is difficult to parse the differences between 7976 and this draft. > > Perhaps the changes could be done in two versions. The first would simply be a duplicate of 7976 with just the formatting changes. > Then a subsequent version would incorporate the desired changes. That way the changes can be clear in a diff. There should be text in the draft which describes the change(s) from 7976 to 7976bis. Regards, Christer > Some specific comments: > > Q1: The text says: > > "P-Visited-Network-ID header field can appear in any SIP Response > message, except for a 100 (Trying)." > > In other places, the text talks about non-100 responses. I think we should be consistent. > > --- > > Q2: The text (same as Q1) says: > > "P-Visited-Network-ID header field can appear in any SIP Response > message, except for a 100 (Trying)." > > Does this apply to ANY non-100 response, no matter what the method in the associated request is? > > --- > > Q3: The text says: > > "The P-Visited-Network-ID header field is not needed in the 100 (Trying) responses, since they are > transmitted hop by hop, not end to end." > > Similar text does not exist for other non-100 cases. So, I think the text should be removed, or there should be a generic statement about why header fields are not needed in 100 (Trying) responses. > > Regards, > > Christer > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, 13 June 2023 17.33 > To: R.Jesske@telekom.de; sipcore@ietf.org > Cc: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>; Nevenka > Biondic <nevenka.biondic@ericsson.com>; gsalguei@cisco.com > Subject: Re: AW: AW: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call > draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-03.txt > > Roland, > > In general form this is what I was suggesting. > IMP it is a better form to publish the changes you want to make. > But I think we should hear what others think about this approach, both 3gpp people (e.g. Christer) and SIP old timers. > > For convenience of other readers, the following will provide you with a diff of this document and RFC 7976: > > https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=rfc7976&url2=draft-jesske-up > date-p-visited-network-05&difftype=--html > > It still takes some careful reading to distinguish the key changes in the diff from those things that are just boiler plate changes and formatting changes due to the passage of time. > > I did see some odds and ends that need cleanup, but I'll save those for later if we get general buy-in. > > I'll defer to the chairs on whether it is ok to have a bis document that isn't named as a bis. > > Thanks, > Paul > > > On 6/13/23 7:28 AM, R.Jesske@telekom.de wrote: >> Hi Paul, >> so I tried to follow your approach. >> I have let the draft name since this document is currently referred in 3GPP. >> >> So I took Christer's RFC and included the change needed. >> >> The only addition is the following sentence in Section 3 Update to RFC 7315: >> P-Visited-Network-ID header field can appear in any SIP Response >> message, except for a 100 (Trying). The P-Visited-Network-ID header >> field is not needed in the 100 (Trying) responses, since they are >> transmitted hop by hop, not end to end. >> >> You can find the draft here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jesske-update-p-visited-networ >> k >> /05/ >> >> Comments are welcome and an indication if the way forward in replacing RFC 7976 is OK for everybody. >> >> Thank you and Best Regards >> >> Roland >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Mai 2023 18:51 >> An: Jesske, Roland <R.Jesske@telekom.de>; sipcore@ietf.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call >> draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-03.txt >> >> On 5/2/23 11:37 AM, R.Jesske@telekom.de wrote: >>> Hi Paul, >>> sorry for my late Answer. >>> Thank you for your comments. >>> >>> So I will provide an Updated version considering the comments from Paul. >>> >>> This Question we should clatify: >>> This doc is flagged as Updates:7976. But 7976 updates 7315, and the changes in this doc alter to changes to 7315. So this doc should also be tagged as updating 7315. Or, it might be sufficient for it to only update 7315 and not 7976. >>> >>> So I see 3 Options: >>> 1. Let it as Update to 7976 >>> 2. Update to 7315, so If I update RFC7315 would this then overwrite the changes done in 7976? If yes I could do this. If not I will stay. >>> 3. Or should we replace 7976 which then needs to add stuff to the current draft. >>> >>> What to do? >> >> I had another idea: modify your draft to be rfc7976-bis. Then you can just change the "New Text" so it includes your changes. And of course add the needed descriptive text to explain why. >> >> Then of course it would continue to be tagged as Updates:7315. And it will then replace rfc7976. >> >> This will be clean and easy to understand. >> >> Thanks, >> Paul >> >>
- [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jesske-up… Brian Rosen
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… R.Jesske
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… R.Jesske
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… Ranjit Avasarala (Nokia)
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… R.Jesske
- Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call draft-jessk… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- [sipcore] draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-0… R.Jesske
- Re: [sipcore] draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… Brian Rosen
- Re: [sipcore] draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… R.Jesske
- [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- Re: [sipcore] draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… R.Jesske
- [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… Paul Kyzivat
- [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… R.Jesske
- [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… R.Jesske
- [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… Paul Kyzivat
- [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… Christer Holmberg
- [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… R.Jesske
- [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-netwo… R.Jesske