[sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-07.txt

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Hi Charles,
Thank you for the hint. So seen from the discussion so far it was agreed to push this as a WID. I missed only the ietf in advance.
So I have now uploaded the draft “draft-ietf-sipcore-rfc7976bis-00.txt” which is now waiting for chair approval.
I have taken also Christer’s comments into consideration.

So I think we could proceed.

Thank you and Best Regards

Roland
Von: Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <[e-mail]>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. August 2024 18:27
An: Jesske, Roland <[e-mail]>
Cc: Christer Holmberg <[e-mail]>; Paul Kyzivat <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]; Kreipl, Michael <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
Betreff: Re: [sipcore] draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-07.txt

Hi Roland,

In order to avoid any confusion and to help the datatracker understand how to deal with it, it may also be appropriate to rename the draft to draft-ietf-sipcore-rfc7976bis. I have added the sipcore-chairs to check on this.

Cheers,
Charles


On Aug 5, 2024, at 6:42 AM, [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> wrote:

Hi Christer,
Thank you for the review, I will incorporated this and provide a new draft.

Please indicate if somebody has further comments.
I would see the draft as ready to proceed with the next steps.

Thank you and Best Regards

Roland

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christer Holmberg <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Gesendet: Montag, 5. August 2024 12:23
An: Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <eckelcu=[e-mail]<mailto:eckelcu=[e-mail]>>; Paul Kyzivat <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc: Jesske, Roland <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; Kreipl, Michael <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Betreff: RE: [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-07.txt

Hi,

In general everything looks good, but a couple of comments from me:

1) I think the title of the draft should be changed, as it does not only cover P-Visited-Network-ID. Can't we use the same title as in RFC 7976?

2) In Section 2.2, please replace " RFCs 7315 and 3455" with "[RFC7315] and [RFC3455]".

Regards,

Christer


-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <eckelcu=[e-mail]<mailto:eckelcu=[e-mail]>>
Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2024 18.20
To: Paul Kyzivat <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: [sipcore] Re: draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-07.txt

The changes look good to me as well.

Cheers,
Charles


On Jul 24, 2024, at 8:01 AM, Paul Kyzivat <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

Hi Roland,

It looks good!

Thanks,
Paul

On 7/24/24 3:23 AM, [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> wrote:

Hi Paul,
new version is uploaded.
Thank you for your proposal.
Name:     draft-sipcore-rfc7976bis
Revision: 03
Title:    Update to Private Header Field P-Visited-Network-ID in Session
Initiation Protocol (SIP) Requests and Responses

Date:     2024-07-23
Group:    Individual Submission
Pages:    8
URL:
https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.i<https://www.i/>
etf.org%2Farchive%2Fid%2Fdraft-sipcore-rfc7976bis-
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Best Regards
Roland
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jesske, Roland
Gesendet: Montag, 15. Juli 2024 07:59
An: Paul Kyzivat <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; Kreipl, Michael <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Betreff: AW: AW: [sipcore]
draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-07.txt
Hi Paul,
yes indeed that is that what it is to be meant.
So in the next version I will update this.
Thank you and Best Regards
Roland
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Paul Kyzivat <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Gesendet: Freitag, 5. Juli 2024 17:37
An: Jesske, Roland <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; Kreipl, Michael <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Betreff: Re: AW: [sipcore]
draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-07.txt
On 7/5/24 3:32 AM, [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> wrote:

Hi Charles,
Thank you for your review and the related comments.
I have taken them on board and uploaded a new version of the draft.

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This is better.
While looking at this I noticed something else:
You use "... header field can appear in all SIP methods and non-100
response message except ..." multiple times. I presume you meas:

"... header field can appear in all SIP methods and *the associated*
non-100 response messages except ...".
Perhaps this is obvious, but it wouldn't hurt to say it.
       Thanks,
       Paul

Thank you and Best Regards

Roland

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juni 2024 01:33
An: Jesske, Roland <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc: Paul Kyzivat <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Betreff: Re: [sipcore] draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-07.txt

Hi Roland,

Thanks for submitted and sharing both the baseline and the version with
the intended changes.

I do not have any technical concerns with the changes, but I do have a
couple editorial suggestions.


Section 2.2
---
OLD
Modify statement that P-Visited-Network-ID header field can appear in
all non 100 (Trying) responses.


NEW
Add statement that P-Visited-Network-ID header field can appear in all
non 100 (Trying) responses.

—

I suggest this because no statement about responses existing previously,
so a statement is added rather than modified.



Section 3
---
OLD
The P-Visited-Network-ID header field can appear in all SIP methods
except ACK, BYE, CANCEL, NOTIFY, PRACK, INFO, UPDATE and in any SIP non-
100 response message .  The P-Visited-Network-ID header field is not needed
in the 100 (Trying) responses, since they are transmitted hop by hop, not end
to end.


NEW
The P-Visited-Network-ID header field can appear in all SIP methods and
non-100 responses, except ACK, BYE, CANCEL, NOTIFY, PRACK, INFO, and
UPDATE.

—

I suggest this wording because it aligns with that in RFC 7976 for P-
Access-Network-Info, P-Charging-Vector, and P-Charging-Function-Addresses.
Justification for not including in 100 responses seems unnecessary and is not
provided for the other P-headers in RFC 7976, so for consistency here as well
I think it is best to leave it out for P-Visited-Network-ID.


Cheers,
Charles


On Apr 9, 2024, at 5:14 AM, [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> wrote:

Dear all,
now it is done I have created two versions and calld it draft-ietf-sipcore-
rfc7976bis-00 as basline Version and draft-ietf-sipcore-rfc7976bis-01 with the
intended changes.


Link to 00 Version:
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For any comment I would be happy that we can proceed this work to be
done.

As discussed it concerns one change which is a dependency in 3GPP.

Thank you and Best Regards

Roland

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: sipcore <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> Im Auftrag von Paul Kyzivat
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Januar 2024 17:43
An: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Betreff: Re: [sipcore] draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-07.txt

I support this.

Thanks for calling for it to be done as a bis. I would further suggest that
the bis be done in two distinct versions. The initial version should be
functionally identical to rfc7976. Then the next version should include all the
desired changes. Doing it this way will help reviewers (and implementers) to
easily see what is really new without being distracted by all the boilerplate
and formatting changes needed just bring the old rfc up to current
conventions.


       Thanks,
       Paul

On 1/3/24 8:05 PM, Brian Rosen wrote:

<As chair>
This message starts a two week call for adoption of the draft,
with the intention that it will be reworked as needed and re-named to
rfc7976bis.

 Please send comments to the list.

Roland, assuming the WG agrees to adopt the draft, we will ask you
to submit it as draft-ietf-sipcore-rfc7976bis-00.  We will also
ask you to make sure that the errata identified in 7976 are addressed.
The data tracker will note the prior versions correctly once we set it
up.


Brian


On Dec 29, 2023, at 4:17 AM, [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> wrote:

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Of course comments are welcome.
The main change to the RFC7976 is that P-Visited-Network-ID
header field can appear in all responses except for 100 (Trying).
As commented during the WGLC it was proposed to change the
behaviour from UPDATE to an BIS draft.
Since there are no objections from people could I get some advice
from the SIPCORE chair if I can now create an sipcore RFC7976bis
draft, to start the official procedure to go forward to an RFC or
is there another procedure seen?
Thank you and Best Regards
Roland
*Von:*Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <[e-mail]
<mailto:[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]%0b%3cmailto:[e-mail]>>> *Gesendet:*Freitag, 3.November 2023
16:08 *An:*Jesske, Roland <[e-mail]
<mailto:[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]%0b%3cmailto:[e-mail]>>> *Cc:*[e-mail]
<mailto:[e-mail]>
*Betreff:*Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call
draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-03.txt
Hi Roland,
Not hearing any objections, that seems a good way to proceed.
Cheers,
Charles


   On Oct 24, 2023, at 9:03 AM,[e-mail]
   <mailto:[e-mail]>wrote:
   Hi Charles,
   Thank you for binging this up.
   It was the proposal to change then the naming to an rfc7976_bis
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   The proposal was discussed to change it to an rfc7976_bis and I
   saw some agreement but not a final decision.
   If people are happy with that approach then I recheck the draft
   and could provide this draft as an bis draft.
   Best Regards
   Roland
   *Von:*sipcore <[e-mail]
   <mailto:[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]%0b   %3cmailto:[e-mail]>>>*Im Auftrag von*Charles Eckel
   (eckelcu)
   *Gesendet:*Montag, 23.Oktober 2023 23:41
   *An:*[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
   *Betreff:*Re: [sipcore] Working Group Last Call
   draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network-03.txt
   Apologies for reviving an old thread, but
   draft-jesske-update-p-visited-network came up in our
dependencies

   discussion during the IETF-3GPP coordination call today [1] and I
   wanted to check on next steps.
   We are putting together the agenda for the IETF-3GPP coordination
   meeting at IETF 118 and could allocate some time for a discussion
   on this draft in that forum if it would be helpful.
   Cheers,
   Charles
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