[Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC)
Miguel Garcia <Miguel.An.Garcia@nokia.com> Mon, 30 January 2006 07:42 UTC
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Subject: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC)
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Hi all in the list. I would like to get opinions on solutions for implementing the Advice of Charge service. Requirements for this service are listed in the TISPAN requirements I-D, Section 3.4: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-jesske-sipping-tispan-requirements-02.txt When we discussed this service in Vancouver, Jonathan suggested to take a look at the SIP Interaction Framework to get ideas. They are very good ideas in the SIP Interaction Framework, but still I would like to get opinions. This service presents two problems to be solved: 1) How to signal to a network node that the service is invoked 2) How to transport the required information to the User Agent. According to the interaction framework, invocation could be signal by a combination of protocol elements, specifically: Allow REFER, Accept-Types with some specific XML format, Contact with schemes: http, Contact with GRUU, Supported with "tdialog", ... don't know what else. While that is valid, I think it presents three problems. First, it is not possible to distinguish between "this is what the UA supports" from "this is the invocation to the service". Second. it makes the configuration of the initial filter criteria (to trigger to the AoC Application server) a nightmare, because instead of searching for one "item", we need to create comparisons for four or five items. Third, this works as long as there is some unique item to the service, which could be the type of body declared in the Accept-Types, but as soon as we wanted to reuse this body for some other service, we would run into trouble. One proposal to invoke the service was to define a new specific header, let's call it P-AoC, that contains some parameters that define the service behavior. For example, it could contain some preference of the reporting time or something like that. Another alternative could be to use a subscription to an event package, in which case, we are determining not to use a REFER to an HTTP URI for conveying the information. A third possibility is to define a specific feature tag, but I think this isn't really a feature, but a whole service. On the delivery of information, we can think of a REFER to an HTTP URI or a SUB/NOT type of notification. Some folks have been thinking of piggy-backing the information to SIP requests or responses that "happens to pass by", but this solution is bad, as it has been demonstrated with the charging stuff in IMS, besides it does not meet the requirement of delivering information "a few seconds after the communication has ended" (REQ-AoC-1). So I guess the choices are just REFER + HTTP URI or SUB/NOT. I am willing to hear comments that can provide the needed guidance to TISPAN. Best regards, Miguel -- Miguel A. Garcia tel:+358-50-4804586 sip:miguel.an.garcia@openlaboratory.net Nokia Research Center Helsinki, Finland _______________________________________________ Sipping-tispan mailing list Sipping-tispan@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-tispan
- [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Miguel Garcia
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) GARCIN Sebastien RD-CORE-ISS
- Re: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Miguel Garcia
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Bemmel, Jeroen van (Jeroen)
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Darshan Bildikar
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Avasarala Ranjit-A20990
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) GARCIN Sebastien RD-CORE-ISS
- Re: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Miguel Garcia
- Re: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Miguel Garcia
- Re: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Miguel Garcia
- Re: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Miguel Garcia
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Avasarala Ranjit-A20990
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Darshan Bildikar
- Re: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Miguel Garcia
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Christer Holmberg (JO/LMF)
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) GARCIN Sebastien RD-CORE-ISS
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Alf Heidermark (AL/EAB)
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Nachum Frid
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Hans Erik van Elburg (RY/ETM)
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Hans Erik van Elburg (RY/ETM)
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Hans Erik van Elburg (RY/ETM)
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Hans Erik van Elburg (RY/ETM)
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Hans Erik van Elburg (RY/ETM)
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Drage, Keith (Keith)
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Hans Erik van Elburg (RY/ETM)
- RE: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Avasarala Ranjit-A20990
- Re: [Sipping-tispan] Advice of Charge (AoC) Miguel Garcia