Re: [Slim] I-D Action: draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language-20.txt

Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com> Tue, 09 January 2018 03:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Slim] I-D Action: draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language-20.txt
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I believe that -20 resolve's Alvaro's comments.

However, there appear to be some dangling items from Mirja and EKR's
reviews:

1. Mirja questioned whether Section 5.1 was redundant, given the material
in the introduction.  Reading that Section over, it seems that it is indeed
redundant and can be removed.

2. EKR's review noted that the hlang send/recv negotiation is  *not*
similar to how SDP negotiates codecs (which is a pure recv/recv
negotiation).  The new text explains the reasoning but still contains the
following sentence:

"This is conceptually similar to the way other aspects of each media stream are
negotiated using SDP (e.g., media type and codecs)."

Since this sentence is incorrect, it probably should be removed.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:29 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Selection of Language for Internet Media
> WG of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time
> Communications
>         Author          : Randall Gellens
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-
> human-language-20.txt
>         Pages           : 17
>         Date            : 2018-01-08
>
> Abstract:
>    Users have various human (natural) language needs, abilities, and
>    preferences regarding spoken, written, and signed languages.  This
>    document adds new SDP media-level attributes so that when
>    establishing interactive communication sessions ("calls"), it is
>    possible to negotiate (communicate and match) the caller's language
>    and media needs with the capabilities of the called party.  This is
>    especially important with emergency calls, where a call can be
>    handled by a call taker capable of communicating with the user, or a
>    translator or relay operator can be bridged into the call during
>    setup, but this applies to non-emergency calls as well (as an
>    example, when calling a company call center).
>
>    This document describes the need and a solution using new Session
>    Description Protocol (SDP) media attributes.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-slim-
> negotiating-human-language/
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> negotiating-human-language-20
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