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Re: [lamps] Proposed charter update regarding clarifications

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From: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>
To: Ryan Sleevi <ryan-ietf@sleevi.com>, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
CC: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
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Subject: Re: [lamps] Proposed charter update regarding clarifications
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I’m not in favor of having to bother the AD for a re-charter for every minor clarification.  It is not a productive use of anyone’s time.

 

-Tim

 

From: Spasm <spasm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Ryan Sleevi
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:20 PM
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Cc: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>; Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Proposed charter update regarding clarifications

 

 

 

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 12:03 PM Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie <mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> > wrote:



On 27/07/2019 12:40, Russ Housley wrote:
> At the meeting in Montreal, we suggested a charter update to allow clarifications.  I suggest:
> 
> OLD:
> 
> In addition, the LAMPS WG may investigate other updates to documents
> produced by the PKIX and S/MIME WGs, but the LAMPS WG shall not adopt
> any of these potential work items without rechartering.
> 
> NEW:
> 
> In addition, the LAMPS WG may investigate other updates to documents
> produced by the PKIX and S/MIME WG. The LAMPS WG may produce
> clarifications where needed, but the LAMPS WG shall not adopt
> anything beyond clarifications without rechartering.
> 
> Thoughts?

Seems like another step on the road to re-creating PKIX
which at the end produced pointless paper. IMO nothing
should be done in this WG unless there's evidence the
work will be implemented and deployed.

S.

 

While I share the general sentiment, there is at least one clarification which has clear signs of deployment if there is IETF consensus on the text - 

https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-turner-5480-ku-clarifications-00.html

 

For example, 

https://github.com/zmap/zlint/pull/293 is used by the majority of the publicly trusted CAs, directly or indirectly, and would actively enforce such text.

 

I too appreciate a narrowed scope, and wouldn’t be too miffed if any/every clarification was a matter for rechartering, and the WG only looked at chartering with this in scope.

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