Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Network, Stupid
Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no> Thu, 17 December 2015 10:18 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Network, Stupid
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> On 17 Dec 2015, at 11:10, Dirk Kutscher <Dirk.Kutscher@neclab.eu> wrote: > >>> Regarding security, unless we want to introduce “trusted middleboxes”, >> >> Why not? > > No e2e security. > > That may be OK for some use cases, like IoT or home GWs, but could be less convincing for accessing public network services -- for example, if you extend the network with multiple hops of device-to-device communication, data mules etc. Hm.... just because you trust them to do certain tasks for you doesn't mean you trust them with everything? We trust routers to forward our data and can even set the DSCP for them (in theory - yes i know the rtcweb/DSCP story and DART) And you can still have e.g. e2e encryption and e2e authentication on top, right? So what is the real trust problem here?
- [Stackevo-discuss] 5G: It's the Network, Stupid Dirk Kutscher
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Dirk Kutscher
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Dirk Kutscher
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Michael Welzl
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Dirk Kutscher
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Michael Welzl
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Dirk Kutscher
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Jon Crowcroft
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Nishanth Sastry
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … David Michael Taht
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Nishanth Sastry
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Joe Touch
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Joe Touch
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Theodore V Faber
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Joe Touch
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Jon Crowcroft
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Bill Gage
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Bill Gage
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Jon Crowcroft
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Dirk Kutscher