Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on the outline of the document
Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU> Tue, 25 August 2009 20:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on the outline of the document
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fernando Gont wrote: > Joe Touch wrote: > >>> e.g., think about the "Rose attack" described in the MSS section. The >>> attack employs the TCP MSS option (and thus would be included in >>> "control attacks" according to Joe's outline). However, the attack >>> attempts to degrade performance. So.. where would the attack be finally >>> included? >>> Joe argues that "info leaking" and that port scanning is a "control >>> attack". But one might argue that port scanning is, in some sense, an >>> info leaking attack. >> That's a property of any way of organizing the topics - there are bound >> to be overlapping cases. > > I don't think there's overlap in the current structure of the document. The current document doesn't have the kind of structure I'm suggesting is important. >> The issue to me is that the outline I proposed >> has easily recognized structure to it, and I at least know where various >> attacks should go (even if they go in one place and are cross-referenced >> and also discussed in others). > > IMO, the issue here is not whether one knows where to put them, but > rather whether implementers would know where to find them. > > IMHO, I'd live the main structure "as is", and would add an alternate > index (e.g., the one you proposed) in an appendix (as David suggested). I don't see that as a useful way forward. Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkqUS1YACgkQE5f5cImnZrtyngCeIu1SCaxiA04zoWuvq3ap12lP En0AoLemlz2eQCngpm/zpRZgN62iaZ/0 =sR5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on the … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-MS00)[Verizon]
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … toby.moncaster
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Alfred Hönes
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … toby.moncaster
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-MS00)[Verizon]
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont