Re: [Terminology] Recent posts to the terminology mailing list

["Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Lloyd,

My reasoning for wanting to keep the list open is not because I expect much further discussion, but I would rather that any terminology related discussion occurs on this list than end back on [e-mail], particularly because it seems that this is an emotive topic and these discussions unfortunately bring out uncivil behaviour from some people.  I see that having a separate list allows for such discussions to occur (freedom of speech) without forcing the discussion onto the larger lists of subscribers on [e-mail] who are presumably less interested in these discussions (freedom of listening to the free speech), given that relatively few of the [e-mail] subscribers are also subscribed to the terminology list.

Having something like BCP45bis for all moderated lists would probably generally be helpful for the IETF, but any of these process type documents seem to take quite a lot of effort/energy to progress.  But always happy if someone from the community wants to try and pick this up and drive this, presumably via Gendispatch.

In terms of my role, no I'm not an SAA, just a list owner with a role to moderate the list alongside Lars and Sean.  I was added by Lars because we thought that he was the only list owner at the time and thought that it would be helpful if the moderation was handled by someone else.  I.e., generally, I find that the IESG members go out of their way to try and be impartial and be seen to be impartial.  We subsequently found that Sean was also a moderator.  Hopefully, everyone will be constructive and respectful to each other and no further moderation will be necessary.

Does that clarify?

Regards,
Rob


-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]> 
Sent: 05 November 2021 05:36
To: [e-mail]; Rob Wilton (rwilton) <[e-mail]>
Cc: Lars Eggert <[e-mail]>; Sean Turner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Terminology] Recent posts to the terminology mailing list

Rob,

If this list is to continue to exist and not be shut down as a bad idea, do we need something similar to BCP45bis for this list?

Are you a co-moderator, or a sergeant at arms following the IETF list model? How were you appointed?


thanks

Lloyd Wood
[e-mail]






On Friday, 5 November 2021, 07:34:41 GMT+11, Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=[e-mail]> wrote: 





Hi,

I've recently joined Lars and Sean as a co-moderator for this list.

I would like to send a blanket reminder to all subscribed to this mailing list that the IETF goal is to make the Internet better.  I believe that the most effective way to achieve that is for all participants to communicate in a constructive way that is respectful to other participants.  Further, I would like to add that I believe the vast majority of IETF participants engage in such a way.

In some cases, the recent postings to this mailing list have been neither constructive nor respectful and I have contacted the individual(s) involved to politely request that they moderate how they construct their messages.

I see that there is no benefit in further discussing draft-knodel-terminology on this list.  As the ISE has made clear (as per https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/terminology/l4vjg55V6lgxB-Yn_IuPGnjoe9s/), the decision as to whether to publish this draft is an ISE decision and does not require or benefit from any form of IETF consensus or discussion.

At the moment, I believe that the only terminology related work happening in the IETF is the implementation of the IESG Statement on Inclusive language, https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/on-inclusive-language/.  As far as I understand it, the current process is working well in a reasonable and proportionate way.

I would like to keep the terminology mailing list open to ensure that IETF has a place for any necessary terminology related discussions, where IETF participants are free to choose to subscribe or unsubscribe based on their interest.

Regards,
Rob

// Also on behalf of Lars and Sean.







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