Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs
Jon Callas <jon@callas.org> Sat, 03 November 2012 00:58 UTC
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On Nov 1, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote: > As someone who has to trust every CA in the root pile in my browsers and OSs, I find it frightening that a CA who can say "this is your bank's certificate" cannot handle new requirements for how to say that. If adopting a simple protocol like this causes an ossified CA too many problems, maybe I don't trust that CA to be able to issue certificates for my bank, much less to be able to know which certificates that they are actually issuing. I'm mostly with Paul on this. I think that a CA that doesn't see CT as an incredible boon to be ossified to say the least. I'd add that this can be something the market solves -- move your business to one that gets it. I can't say enough good things about CT because I think it lets everyone win without being the TSA of the Internet. I can go on, but really, CT is almost all upside. The only real downside is that it puts stresses on genuinely private PKIs, but it's only a stress, and arguably the few of those that really exist can opt out. Ben has pointed out that the same sorts of problems that CT would put on such things are induced by the SSL Observatory and similar efforts. Jon
- [therightkey] Certrans BoF planning Paul Hoffman
- [therightkey] Call for agenda items for certrans … Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Call for agenda items for certr… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [therightkey] Call for agenda items for certr… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Call for agenda items for certr… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Call for agenda items for certr… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Ben Laurie
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Rob Stradling
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Ben Laurie
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Ben Laurie
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Erwann Abalea
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Rick Andrews
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Chris Palmer
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Ben Laurie
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Rob Stradling
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Rick Andrews
- [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Chris Palmer
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Rick Andrews
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Chris Palmer
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Yoav Nir
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Rob Stradling
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Ben Laurie
- Re: [therightkey] Impact on issue processes Ben Laurie
- Re: [therightkey] Call for agenda items for certr… Ben Laurie
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Rick Andrews
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Leif Johansson
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Ben Laurie
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Ben Laurie
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Rick Andrews
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Stephen Farrell
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Ben Laurie
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [therightkey] Other solutions to the problem Ben Laurie
- [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Lucy Lynch
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Rick Andrews
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Stephen Farrell
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Ben Laurie
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Rob Stradling
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Nico Williams
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Ben Laurie
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Rob Stradling
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Rob Stradling
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Rob Stradling
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Paul Hoffman
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Rob Stradling
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Rob Stradling
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Martin Rex
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Jon Callas
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Jon Callas
- Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs Phillip Hallam-Baker