Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs

Rob Stradling <rob.stradling@comodo.com> Thu, 01 November 2012 22:08 UTC

Return-Path: <rob.stradling@comodo.com>
X-Original-To: therightkey@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: therightkey@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FE121F899F for <therightkey@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:08:11 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.413
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.413 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OEouYqBdK-xI for <therightkey@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:08:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mmmail1.mcr.colo.comodoca.net (mdfw.comodoca.net [91.209.196.68]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C6921F898D for <therightkey@ietf.org>; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:08:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 29343 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2012 22:08:08 -0000
Received: from ian1.brad.office.comodo.net (HELO ian.brad.office.comodo.net) (192.168.0.201) by mail.colo.comodoca.net with ESMTPS (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted); 1 Nov 2012 22:08:08 -0000
Received: (qmail 3343 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Nov 2012 22:08:08 -0000
Received: from nigel.brad.office.comodo.net (HELO [192.168.0.58]) (192.168.0.58) (smtp-auth username rob, mechanism plain) by ian.brad.office.comodo.net (qpsmtpd/0.40) with (CAMELLIA256-SHA encrypted) ESMTPSA; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:08:08 +0000
Message-ID: <5092F2C7.6060407@comodo.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:08:07 +0000
From: Rob Stradling <rob.stradling@comodo.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>
References: <7500672F-5BDE-4EBE-ABC3-1AFEF2972D95@vpnc.org> <544B0DD62A64C1448B2DA253C0114146069D5FC685@TUS1XCHEVSPIN33.SYMC.SYMANTEC.COM> <6DD8CB4F-1233-403D-A27E-F3F80310390F@vpnc.org> <544B0DD62A64C1448B2DA253C0114146069D5FC79B@TUS1XCHEVSPIN33.SYMC.SYMANTEC.COM> <508A48C5.9070005@comodo.com> <544B0DD! 62A64C1448B2DA253C0114146069D76E5FC@TUS1XCHEVSPIN33.SYMC.SYMANTEC.COM> <CABrd9STHtw__Wm30Z5T27mx8PMb-mScCSa-EZVDdeQvy_Rru1Q@mail.gmail.com> <544B0DD62A64C1448B2DA253C0114146069F66F830@TUS1XCHEVSPIN33.SYMC.SYMANTEC.COM> <CABrd9SSJWm_8BY9uN4D6=LmogwkNeLMZtJaOX2MQU1QuCHJwyg@mail.gmail.com> <80A8F0DC-C894-4299-AEC7-12B84A803E84@vpnc.org> <CAMm+Lwh2Qhv8eHtmy=KisShdJiLYe=ziyfezQELqqfu8y9H5qg@mail.gmail.com> <59E2ABDF-EF90-4BBF-BC45-048BF4C2B848@vpnc.org> <5092C4F7.106! 0908@comodo.com> <B02347BF-059C-40B1-AD2E-572EBFFD3869@vpnc.org> <5! 092D4C1.2000701@comodo.com> <A9902D0A-F450-4A16-90FC-9161945489D2@vpnc.org> <5092EFEA.90202@comodo.com>
In-Reply-To: <5092EFEA.90202@comodo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Cc: "therightkey@ietf.org" <therightkey@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [therightkey] Barely-capable CAs
X-BeenThere: therightkey@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: <therightkey.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/therightkey>, <mailto:therightkey-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/therightkey>
List-Post: <mailto:therightkey@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:therightkey-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/therightkey>, <mailto:therightkey-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:08:11 -0000

On 01/11/12 21:55, Rob Stradling wrote:
> On 01/11/12 20:33, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>> On Nov 1, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Rob Stradling <rob.stradling@comodo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If by "actively participating" you mean that the CA has embedded the
>>> CT proof in the cert, then yes, there is no requirement on the bank.
>>
>> That's one definition of "actively participating", but there are
>> others, such as publishing a list that the auditors pick up.
>
> What sort of list did you have in mind?
 >
 > Would this list be "transparent"?
 > (i.e. if the CA were to publish an inaccurate or incomplete list,
 > would the auditor definitely notice?)

Ah, perhaps you've got this agenda item in mind:

"JSON format for CAs to report recent certificate
issuance, Phill Hallam-Baker – 10 mins"

I think Phill coined the term "weak transparency" for this sort of 
thing.  I'd only been thinking about Ben's "strong transparency" 
sunlight-02 proposal in this thread so far.

<snip>

-- 
Rob Stradling
Senior Research & Development Scientist
COMODO - Creating Trust Online