Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-tls-tls13-24
Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org> Fri, 06 April 2018 23:11 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-tls-tls13-24
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On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 12:10:35PM +0000, Salz, Rich wrote: > > For debugging messages, I'm with Peter, they'll only be implemented if they're > > simple enough to support. I can't see having to have localization files on the > > server for debug messages that might be requested by a client is some other locale > > and only when debug is enabled, and the consumer is a developer and not an end-user. > > The table stakes have increased, and I don't think it is reasonable any > more for any IETF protocol to have "just use ASCII" for text messages. > It could be UTF8, or it could be codeset/tagged. Why two developers in, > say, Russia need to speak English to debug their TLS implementations. Because the server has no idea what locale the client is in. Localization is not an option. The only option (which is essentially "use-ascii") is to use UTF-8, and then the error messages are in whatever language the developer of the server used. So the Russian developer will be seeing Chinese debug messages from the server. That's not progress. If you want localization, the messages need to be numeric codes, with localized string tables on each client. But then older clients might not understand some new server messages (perhaps OK if the message list is sufficiently stable given a client protocol version and set of client supported extensions). -- Viktor.
- [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-tls-t… Dale Worley
- Re: [TLS] [Gen-art] Genart last call review of dr… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Colm MacCárthaigh
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Steve Fenter
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Stan Kalisch
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Ion Larranaga Azcue
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Stan Kalisch
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Ion Larranaga Azcue
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Ion Larranaga Azcue
- Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-t… Stan Kalisch