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Re: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...

Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org> Wed, 12 July 2017 15:27 UTC

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From: Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:27:09 -0400
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To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie
> wrote:

> > If one endpoint is feeding
> > cryptographic material to a third party (the only way that information
> gets
> > out to the third party, vulnerabilities notwithstanding), they are
> > collaborating, not enabling wiretapping.
>
> That's nonsense. In the POTS case, telcos are collaborating
> with their local LEAs and that is wiretapping.


The telco in the POTS case isn't either endpoint. The third-party
surveillance is unknown to those endpoints. Therefore: wiretapping.

Kyle

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