Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello instead of disable renego

Marsh Ray <marsh@extendedsubset.com> Sun, 15 November 2009 20:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello instead of disable renego
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Bodo Moeller wrote:
>
> How would they do that?  Everything is supposed to be encrypted then.

They will notice handshake messages after the initial handshake. The
record content type field is never encrypted.

> I don't think the protocol should too much be designed around making
> monitoring systems happy.  You can't do this for all interesting issues
> that client or server implementations might have anyway.  Here we have a
> vulnerability that's easy to fix in such a way that monitoring systems
> can see some fix deployment information, so why not.  Adding extra flags
> just for monitoring's sake, I'm not so sure.

Many, many sites will configure their stateful firewalls to shoot down
any potentially-unsafe renegotiations. Without plaintext indicators,
that will mean all renegotiations.

- Marsh