Re: [TLS] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-tls-pwd

CodesInChaos <codesinchaos@gmail.com> Fri, 06 December 2013 11:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-tls-pwd
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org> wrote:
>   No, that's not really true.  There is a difference between "your
> protocol has
> not been proven secure" and "your protocol has a security flaw". And while
> the former has been pointed out on this list and the CFRG list, the later
> has not.

How is using a password hash a hundred times weaker than md5crypt not
considered a security flaw?
Database compromises happen all the time, and forcing the server to
store a weakly hashed password
isn't acceptable IMO.